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Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger

My opinion of the book - 03/10/05 04:01 PM

I thought it stunk. I really wanted to like this book despite what everyone was saying about it on the boards here.

It took me six months to read this. I usually read books the same length and longer in three weeks or so. Six months! This book gave me little or no reason to pick it up and read at any given time.

The reasons this book was horrid were numerous.

First, Winegardner created too many new characters that we couldn’t care less about. In the Godfather novel and movies, we’re shown the Corleone enemies; the Barzini’s, the Roths, the Lucchesi’s (sp?) only when they’re interacting with the Corleones. We don’t see them hatch their plans off by themselves. We only see the Corleone clan react to their plans and slowly figure out who is behind it. Here, Winegardner abandons this formula and spends too much time following these meaningless characters around as they hatch their plans against the Corleones.

Secondly, Winegardner gave the real characters nothing to do and most importantly, bastardized them. Mike can fly a plane and make passionate love to Kay? Fredo is gay? Hagen whacks a guy?

Thirdly, Winegardner botched the details on so many different occasions, it’s too much to even go into. That is probably the most unforgivable sin, IMO. You already have a bunch of source material (1 book, 3 movies) to go from. Windegardner seemed to ignore these details to make them up himself or change them altogether.

Fourth, the writing was bland. Winegardner couldn’t even say Mike crossed the road without twisting it around and making it more confusing that it needed to be. Puzo’s language was colorful, but always simple enough to understand in one reading. Winegardner’s writing style confused the hell out of me and made me want to stop at the end of the chapter because it was too confusing and boring to keep reading.

Finally, I still feel like I’ve learned little to nothing about what happened in the gaps between the original book and between the 3 movies. Clemenza died of a heart attack? Fine, even though I still believe it was something else. Where was Frankie Five-Angels? Don Tommasino? The Rosato Brothers? Too often Winegardner skipped over interesting details from the movies and book only to dive into something he made up himself that felt totally different than what we’ve come to expect from characters and plot.

Also, where’s the patented Godfather ending? There’s a structure to these things and there was nothing in the book. So Geraci gets away and Francie kills Billy. BFD!!! Where’s Michael in all of this and why doesn’t the ending resemble the endings to all three movies? Where’s the juxtaposition?

There were some good parts of the book. I liked the back-story behind Tessio’s death and the part about Mike’s war history. There were also some chunks here and there that were good. But overall, this book was a steaming turd. Hopefully it will fade into oblivion and no one will remember it even existed. Now if all die-hard Godfather fans who read the book could do the same...
Posted By: SC

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/10/05 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by DeathByClotheshanger:
But overall, this book was a steaming turd.
Now, THAT'S the most succinct (and true) summation of the book yet.
Posted By: Don Provalone

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/11/05 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by SC:
[quote]Originally posted by DeathByClotheshanger:
[b] But overall, this book was a steaming turd.
Now, THAT'S the most succinct (and true) summation of the book yet. [/b][/quote]... hmmm... does that mean that anyone who likes GFR is a fly?
Posted By: Herky-Jerky

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/15/05 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by DeathByClotheshanger:
Finally, I still feel like I’ve learned little to nothing about what happened in the gaps between the original book and between the 3 movies.
EXACTLY!!!!! I completely agree! This book was marketed completely wrong! You made some great points all around, DBC, even though I don't completely agree with you - I enjoyed the book for the most part - but it certainly DID NOT fill in the gaps between the original book and the movies - this was my biggest criticism. While reading the book, it definitely left me scratching my head wondering when those gaps would be filled - AND THEY NEVER WERE!

Another thing that bothered me about this book is it's stinking title:

THE GODFATHER RETURNS??????????? Does this make sense seeing that this book is a sequel/prequel rolled up in one? Does that mean part III which occurs after TGR is THE GODFATHER RETURNS AGAIN?

Anyone following my point on this one?

We just all have to face it, Mark Winegardner is NOT Mario Puzo - end of story!
Posted By: TheSicilian123

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/15/05 11:31 PM

Mark made so many new people just so he could kill them off at the end I think.
Posted By: Montauk

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/16/05 04:52 PM

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Fourth, the writing was bland. Winegardner couldn’t even say Mike crossed the road without twisting it around and making it more confusing that it needed to be. Puzo’s language was colorful, but always simple enough to understand in one reading. Winegardner’s writing style confused the hell out of me and made me want to stop at the end of the chapter because it was too confusing and boring to keep reading.
ABSO-EFFIN'-LUTELY!!!!

I too had to read and reread passages just to figure out what the hell this guy was talking about. For example, the flashback to Mike's initiation ceremony, Fredo's detention in Detroit or Windsor, Sonny's twins at college (oh, this was the worst), Geraci in the airplane, Johnny delivering the money to Mike (WHAT OUTBURST??? WHEN IS A STAREDOWN AN OUTBURST?????)

I mean there is absolutely no FLOW to this narrative whatsoever; but I guess I'm glued to it with a freeway-accident-gawker's interest. It seems like this guy was more influenced by Tarentino (who, at least, scrambles narrative and sequence in such a way that you're still along for the ride) than Puzo.
Posted By: dontommasino

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/23/05 03:38 AM

I took the novel out of the library today and I already hate it.
Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/24/05 07:09 PM

I'm reading Puzo's "The Fortunate Pilgrim" right now and it just reminds me of how good a writer Puzo was. TFP is filled with excellent imagery, descriptions and it still easy to read, unlike TGR. Winegardner was not the right guy for the job. Now I'm wondering what could have been had a different writer had been chosen for the job.
Posted By: chenille

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/25/05 12:37 PM

something told me not to go out and buy this book..so when the library called to tell me that this book was available I eagerly curled up on my couch ready to get back to the characters I knew so well!! Wrong!! I fell asleep in 15 minutes..then I started from the middle of the book thinking it was more interesting there..then I stopped reading it altogether and went back to it the next day...then I returned it back to the library...it was just awful...
Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/25/05 02:40 PM

The beginning is probably the best part... the scenes involving Tessio's murder are the best. After that it's a long steep decline.
Posted By: TheSicilian123

Re: My opinion of the book - 03/25/05 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by DeathByClotheshanger:
The beginning is probably the best part... the scenes involving Tessio's murder are the best. After that it's a long steep decline.
amen to that D.B.C.H
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: My opinion of the book - 04/26/05 12:42 PM

I brought the book the first week it came out Nov 04 and i have just finished it.The start was o.k introducing the Charecters,then the book just drags on with a poor finish
Posted By: donguer

Re: My opinion of the book - 04/30/05 08:07 PM

On Many levels this book bites the big one.
I won't dignify to critique this disaster.
Posted By: TheSicilian123

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/01/05 11:45 PM

I have to do a book talk on it for tomorrow.
Posted By: Tony Love

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/02/05 01:46 AM

That was a very accurate, very true summarization of the book. With permission, I may refer to it as an accurate book summarization if questioned about GFR in the future.
Posted By: TheSicilian123

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/02/05 08:06 PM

I did my book talk on it today and ending it with "I really didn't like the book, there was alot I thought Maro Puzo wouldn't have liked. Well, I wish the book never was writen."
Posted By: TheSicilian123

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/03/05 03:11 AM

Well I got a B on it so maybe it was worth it.
Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/03/05 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Tony Love:
That was a very accurate, very true summarization of the book. With permission, I may refer to it as an accurate book summarization if questioned about GFR in the future.
Go ahead. The more people you warn not to read this book the better.
Posted By: Joolsie Cappucetti

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/11/05 10:52 PM

Have just read your critique, D.B.C.H., and I have to say I'm with you on every point.

When I first got Puzo's Godfather novel, I stayed in bed for three days reading it and wouldn't even answer the phone or the door. When I got MW's Godfather novel, it took me four months of vague perusal to reach the end. And it was only my desperate hunger for anything GF related that made me finish it.
I can't bear the fact that the films are finished, that Hagen's dead, that Mike's story is over... but I would happily endure that abyss rather than see somebody walk in and, as you so perfectly put it, bastardize a cast of characters that millions of us know so intimately and love so much.

In England, MW's book was released as "The Godfather - The Lost Years" which strikes me as a much more appropriate title for what MW was trying to do. But still, I don't feel that he in any way enlightened us about the lost years, about events we needed to know about in the fifties or stories we wanted to hear from the twenties. Kay's abortion revelation was not MW's to make. Francesca, Kathy and Billy - why? Why write any of that? And for me the most disturbing problem is that the delicate tragedy Puzo and Coppola created for Fredo (his inadequacy, his percieved unjust treatment, his fatal mistake) was according to GFR really to do with his feelings about his sexuality, and some out-of-the-blue cemetary scheme that MW obviously dreamt up.
There's a saying in writing that you're supposed to be able to 'kill your darlings' - that is, all your favourite phrases, sequences, ideas, events - you should be able to get rid of them if they're not entirely necessary to the art. And it just feels to me, reading GFR, that MW had a lot of darlings, and he didn't get rid of any of them, and the result is indulgence.
The only way I can reconcile myself to having read this book is by thinking "that would have been an interesting way for things to have turned out. Good job they didn't" and promptly telling myself that none of this has happened
Posted By: SlimTrashman

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/12/05 08:47 PM

it took you three days and nights to read a book?
Posted By: Joolsie Cappucetti

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/12/05 09:06 PM

I had to read three english lit texts, a french novel and italian poetry every week for two years at uni. When I read somethin non-school based, I like to take my time!
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/13/05 06:46 PM

I just sold mine to a book dealer for $2.00 and it was well worth getting rid of it.
Posted By: chrispk

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/14/05 04:13 AM

I agree with the majority of posts here. Winegardeners' book is a complete departure from the characters and personalities created by Puzo. Reading it was something done out of sheer desparation for new Corleone material. However; I didn't disregard the book until I got to section where a young Sonny witnessed his father kill Fanuchi. How perposterous[sic]. That Nick Geraci was b/s too. He couldn't stand up to Michael.
Posted By: TheSicilian123

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/14/05 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by chrispk:
I didn't disregard the book until I got to section where a young Sonny witnessed his father kill Fanuchi.
Just to let you know in case you didn't know. Sonny seeing Vito kill Fanuchi was in The Godfather book. So, it wasnt Marks Idea. It was Puzos
Posted By: chrispk

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/14/05 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by TheSicilian123:
[quote]Originally posted by chrispk:
[b] I didn't disregard the book until I got to section where a young Sonny witnessed his father kill Fanuchi.
Just to let you know in case you didn't know. Sonny seeing Vito kill Fanuchi was in The Godfather book. So, it wasnt Marks Idea. It was Puzos [/b][/quote]My bad.
I don't recall that being in the book. I guess I'll have to scan through my old paperback to bring myself back up to speed. I still think the GFR blows though!
Posted By: fathersson

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/14/05 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by dontomasso:
I just sold mine to a book dealer for $2.00 and it was well worth getting rid of it.
Sounds like one of your most important business deals.

See that is where you are making your biggest mistake.
In the years to come, that book will be worth big bucks.
Godfather collectors will search the world over for them, why? Because no one will keep it and few will survive.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/14/05 09:49 PM

I'll make sure i keep mine then
Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/16/05 01:35 PM

I'll keep mine just in case I feel the need to revist this god awful book to remind my self how bad things can get.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/16/05 06:37 PM

Are they even going to bother putting it out in paperback?
Posted By: DeathByClotheshanger

Re: My opinion of the book - 05/17/05 01:21 PM

They might but I doubt it'll be in a large quantity. But they might just cut their losses and say fuggedaboutit.
Posted By: Ameer

Re: My opinion of the book - 07/11/05 11:28 PM

I just read GFR about three weeks while on a long trip, just because I was borred. I personally think that it is an insult to the movies and original book, especially in the ways that many people are portrayed. Also, the Dons in Puzo's book are much more civilized than the Dons in GFR;they sound more like characters from scarface than from the Godfather. And this is mentioning none of the inaccuracies that he so conveniently put in.
Posted By: Tony Love

Re: My opinion of the book - 07/12/05 12:59 AM

Amen to that, Ameer!
Posted By: Ameer

Re: My opinion of the book - 07/12/05 08:18 PM

Also, he spent way too much time (in my opinion) on irrelivant stuff. Fredo did too much stuff that really accomplished nothing in the storyline but rehash the point that he was a bumb with a crazy idea to move a ton of corpses. Also, to touch once again on the lack of linkage with old characters, he basically created several new people and gave a little more substance to characters that were there just for completeness.
In short, it doesn't interfere (very much) withu the movies, but the linkage isn't that good either.
Posted By: Joe Batters

Re: My opinion of the book - 07/28/05 06:39 PM

I didn't really like Fredo but not enough for him to be gay, what happened to him Banging cocktail waitresses two at a time?
Posted By: Don Pappo Napolitano

Re: My opinion of the book - 08/28/05 09:59 PM

Not a big deal
Posted By: mercop

Re: My opinion of the book - 04/29/08 01:21 AM

I agree with evreything said here, I'll admit i couldnt finish it I read about 200 pages and evreyone I said to myself wheres Micheal lol.
Posted By: 45ACP

Re: My opinion of the book - 07/03/08 03:39 AM

I struggled through 173 of 538 pages but ran into a dead end in Chapter 12 - Book III - Fall -Christmas 1955. I am convinced Winegardner is a dope head and was under the influence when he wrote this part. I know the words are in English, but they make no sense. He is totally babbling. I absolutely could not decifer his writing. I have put it down for good.

I will try out his second attempt, "Revenge" but I don't suffer fools for long.
Posted By: FredoCorleone

Re: My opinion of the book - 10/09/08 02:17 AM

It was mentioned in the original novel on how Sonny witnessed Fanuccis death.
Sonny said it himself.
Posted By: Moltisanti

Re: My opinion of the book - 10/10/08 12:20 PM

Why didn't I read this topic earlier? I bought this book yesterday for €6 (8,5 USD I guess). I thought it was well worth it but apparently it is really awful. I'll read the book anyway and hopefully it can please me more than it did you fellas.
Posted By: rerteu

Re: My opinion of the book - 04/11/09 07:20 AM

I am almost finish the book.
Posted By: rerteu

Re: My opinion of the book - 04/11/09 07:33 AM

Not a big deal
Posted By: rerteu

Re: My opinion of the book - 04/11/09 07:36 AM

Not a big deal
Posted By: NickGeraci

Re: My opinion of the book - 12/31/10 08:31 AM

WOW!!!
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