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Re: mafia in israel !!
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04/29/03 12:54 AM
04/29/03 12:54 AM
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The Russian "Mafia" is big in Israel, and is well established in NYC. Bear in mind, though, that many (if not most) members of the Russian "Mafia" aren't Jewish. After passage of the Jackson/Vanik Act in 1974 (which forced the former USSR to liberalize Jewish emigration from the Soviet Union), forged passports with phony Jewish surnames became very hot property in the USSR, so that people could escape to Israel or the US. PP: Jewish gangsters were far bigger than the Mafia during Prohibition--they ran the booze trade in almost all major US cities except Chicago, and even there, a Jewish guy (Jack Guzik) was second-in-command to Capone. But they didn't "form" the Mafia. The Mafia was mostly (relatively) small, neighborhood mobs until after the Castellemmarese War of 1930-31. First, Salvatore Maranzano, the victor, formed the NYC mobs into five families. Then Charlie Luciano whacked Maranzano, formed The Commission and began building a modicum of cooperation among Mafia families around the country.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: mafia in israel !!
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04/29/03 02:22 PM
04/29/03 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull:
PP: Jewish gangsters were far bigger than the Mafia during Prohibition--they ran the booze trade in almost all major US cities except Chicago, and even there, a Jewish guy (Jack Guzik) was second-in-command to Capone. But they didn't "form" the Mafia. The Mafia was mostly (relatively) small, neighborhood mobs until after the Castellemmarese War of 1930-31. First, Salvatore Maranzano, the victor, formed the NYC mobs into five families. Then Charlie Luciano whacked Maranzano, formed The Commission and began building a modicum of cooperation among Mafia families around the country. [/QB] Very cool TB, but I read once somewhere, (it was a personal account of a true gangster, I think it may have been some men's magazine) This guy was Jewish and he claimed that if it weren't for the Jews, the "Italian-American" mafia wouldn't have existed, due to lack of political influence, funds, etc.  dont know what he meant by that, it just always stuck out in my memory.
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Re: mafia in israel !!
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04/29/03 03:03 PM
04/29/03 03:03 PM
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Yes, I read that article. I think it was in Gentleman's Quarterly, and it was by some very old Mafioso who claimed (among other things) that Virginia Hill's brother Chick assassinated Bugsy Siegel. I remember his quote, but I think he was referring to the influence of Meyer Lansky. I thought he was exaggerating. Jews and others have operated and cooperated with the Mafia, but were never "made," for obvious reasons. But they didn't create the Mafia--they just helped the Mafia prosper, on occasion. BTW: Among the other non-Italian, and non-Jewish Mob influentials was Murray (the Camel) Humphries, born in Wales, who was one of Capone's top ranking guys, and ran the labor rackets for the Chicago Outfit into the Seventies.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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