Anyone know if the Mafia has ever dealt with street gangs (Crips and Blood type stuff)? I mean with deliveries, extortion, etc. Thanks in advance.


-Ethereal

Mafia families have often used street gangs (including Crips, Bloods and many others) for general retail purposes, such as distributing drugs, running numbers, operating betting parlors, and occasional strong-arm work with recalcitrant dealers and gambling operators who don't pay tribute to the Mob. Paul Castellano actually formed an alliance with the Westies, who were one step up (and not a very big step up) from a street gang, allowing them to control nearly all the action on Manhattan's West Side in return for tributes (see "State of Grace"). Crazy Joe Gallo, during a long prison stretch for jukebox extortion, made many ties with black and Hispanic gang members in the can, and used them when he got out (the Gallos = the Rosato Brothers in GFII; Crazy Joe's alliances were the origin of Frankie Pentangeli's complaint: "Dey recruit n******, dey recruit s****...") But generally, Mafiosi are too bigoted and too distrustful, to get into bed too deeply with street gangs. And anyway, it's a moot point in many cases, since street gangs now control former Mafia neighborhood strongholds.

If any street gang were making money on any wiseguys turf I think it'd be quite logical the wiseguys would approach them and demand a tribute. Or in a worse case scenario, kill them. I doubt they'd be working. Sometimes if the street gang members are Italian and seem to be doing good work a made guy may want him under his wing but he'd have to make a formal claim for him through his Capo first.

Ok. I was just wondering becuase one of my boys said he had been approached by a member of the Luchesse family to sell for them (this is my friend in New York. He's a Crip). I figured it was true, but I didn't know how common of a practice it was.

BTW, on an OT note, what exactly is money laundring? Thanks again.


-Ethereal

"Money laundering" describes the ways that criminals (not just mobsters) hide ill-gotten money behind legitimate fronts. At its simplest: you run a street-level drug ring. You get paid in cash. You can't put it in the bank under your own name because it'd be found out. So you hire someone to fly around the country (or overseas) and open bank accounts in their name or in fictitious names. Usually, money laundering schemes are much more complicated--involving mobsters investing in legitimate businesses, buying overseas real estate under the names of phony companies, establishing corporations and holding companies that are fronts for them. Richard Nixon's Committee to Re-Elect the President in 1972 laundered vast quantities of cash contributions in overseas banks and fronts to pay off the "Plumbers" (Watergate burglers) and Don Segretti and other "dirty tricksters."

what do you guys think would happen if NY crips decided to team up against a family of La Cosa Nostra such as the Genovese family or Lucchese family? Who would win? Or better yet, if the entire 5 families teamed up to take on every NY crip or blood who do you think would win and why (suggesting theres an all out street war).

I think that the NY familes would win. Considering their contacts out of the country and the politicians they have in their pocket. Dont be fooled, there are still plenty of crooked politicains. And another advantage of the NY familes is that they are far better orgainzed and are just kind of on a differnt scale then the Crips.

Bloods are Crips are just street gangs. Comparing the families with the street gangs is kind of funny

Personally, I agree with everyone...

The families outnumber the street gangs many times over. Sure, tons of people claim that they are in a gang. But when it comes down to it, only about 1/3 of them are really in the gang, with 1/2 of that group willing to die for their gang. Everything is messed up nowadays...from the families to the streets. In Detroit, you see all these kids walking around in their baby-blue, crackin' their hat to the right, throwing up a "C" and ending up getting shot by some Blood. Someone needs to teach kids nowadays that gangs aren't cool, and whoever gets in to one is an idiot. (Personal Ancedote)


-Ethereal

Mobsters, have been around forever. They are what those gangs look up to and try to run like.

Not to mention the Mob, could simply hire other gangs. To fight them..

Notice.. Mob, families. Fight against other mob families who are much harder to get to then street gangs, who do sloppy drive-bies.

Mobsters, are also good at killing bosses, cunning, and strategizing. Their regimes are organized like the Roman armies'..

It would be a massacre..

Turnbull..

Approximatly. How many families would you say are still around throughout the U.S ?

I agree with Guinea Pig, organized crime seems more likely to win against fairly un organized crime any day, its just common sense.

PS - whats the pic in your icon from Guinea?

The way I see it, if the Latin kings, Bloods, Crips team up against one family I think they may claim the victory. Now as for the 5 families combined NO WAY! If a single street gang against a Family would be a slaughter.

I think, it would depend much on what family the gangs dicided to take on.

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How big are the Latin Kings Boss of Bosses??

Now.. The Yakuza or Russian mob versus eachother or.. Against the Italian mafia would be something else.

Ok, first off, I admit, one family vs. one gang = slaughter. But alll the gangs vs. one family = maybe. If the gang could hold together...I know alot of Crips, and if they see a person wearing red, they start reaching for their heat, or at least click off their safety. Life sucks if your a gang memeber now. But I don't think an all out street war will happen: the gangs have no problems with the families. I see no need for a war.

Funny how one question about whether gangs work with the families turned into a war breaking out...guess everyone watches their back.

Two more questions: 1) How many people know a gang member? 2) How many know a wise-guy? (j/w)

I personally know 5 or so gang members...all Crips. Happens when you live on the Eastside...


-Ethereal

It would be the other way around. It would be more like. The mob having a problem with street gangs. Mob activity. Isn't on the street level anymore. At least, not directly.

I'm sure mob member{s} may have supplied the gangs with drugs. Though, this type of stuff is so underground. I can see them making deals without the gang member{s} knowing they were dealing with the mafia

Which makes me wonder about LCN's relationship with hispanic cartels. If existent.

I would almost bet that Cartels don't sell directly and profitably supply street-gangs with cocaine.

What's the point in street gangs? Bunch of friggin' pussies. They don't ever have the balls for anything unless they're backed up by 10/15 people behind them. Then they show how "tough" they are by getting a cheap gun and waving it around like a loonatic. Nobheads. They never have the balls to say anything when they're on their own.

Mang, I was in gangs when I was at school. If they wanna show how tough they are lets see them play Russian Roulette live on TV.

Your pretty much correct. Its sad lol.

'Course i'm right, wiseguys always right. Even when he's wrong he's right.

Gangbangers have no brain power. But their lack of originality and pitiful aiming makes up for it.

Drive by's on neighborhoods.. When supposedly the own purpose they're in their gangs is because they need someone to look out for them. To be the family they don't have.. So okay. Drive bys on a neighborhood with children, women and the elderly. Isn't there a chance that they might take all that someone has?? Resulting in ruining that persons life, being sent to jail themselves. Or receiving almost guaranteed revenge?

Don't think Derren Brown is in a street gang, buddy.

I couldn't have said your quote any better, Turi. I totally agree. It's all based on reputation these days. Prime example at my school, and my biggest pet hate: Little guy thinks he's tough with a bigger and quiet guy. The latter punches the former (and rightly so). The next thing the big guy, who was only defending himself, knows is that the little guy has got himself a bunch load of "friends." Ten people onto one guy? Give me a break. Please.

Mick

Mick

if a punk like that at your school is a little bitch and talks shit with his friends around. i'd tell you what i would do. i would find where he lives and go knock on his door. then give him what he deserves

why does everybody have against street gangs? we're just trying to maintain human nature to have enemies so we gang bang. I have nothing against the mafia i respect the way some families run there business and i respect everyones opinion on this forum. but if there is no point of street gangs what is the point of the mafia.

the sole purpous of the American Mafia today is to make money. Thats it. Street Gangs dont make shit. If they were more organized, and tried things such as extortion then maybe theyd make more sense. Instead of robbing a 7-11 on the corner why not try extorting the fuckin place to make even more money off of it. Organize your shit instead of doing random drive-by's on rivals because theyre sportin the opposite color. Im not hating on street gangs, im just stating some of my opinion.

Why waste my time? It wouldn't make me feel any better, and I certainly can't be arsed with a whole gang after me. ) due to the fact that they picked the fight, not me.

As GF69 has already said, the Mafia makes money, thus supporting the family by means of supporting the other Family. Street gangs make, well let's see...nothing. :rolleyes: Street gangs maintain human nature? Haven't seen a joke like that for a while, man!

Mick

Not to make light of or condone any crimes of either the Mafia or gangs, I agree with Turi, Capo and Bambino on this one. It's really laughable to consider gangs on the same level as the mafia.

Living in California, we do have gangs and working at a school, I am, to a degree, forced to keep somewhat aware of gangs. Turi is correct when he says gangs "act" tough in a group. A few years back a gang (crips) from LA was rumored to be coming to the high school to "get even" with one of the students for something gang related. Since my school is right around the corner, everyone was on high alert. Well, nothing became of it fortunately, yet it takes a whole gang to get one person!!!

Mafia IS more organized and thinks things out and as far as I know don't kill each other for wearing certain colors or a certain brand shoe (we had several incidents a few years back where this happened)! Again, let me mention that both groups are criminals, but the Mafia goes where the money is, and for the most part, as far as I know, doesn't "kill" for idiotic reasons. :rolleyes:

TIS

doesn't "kill" for idiotic reasons.

^ T.I.S .

It doesn't do drive-bys, in neighborhoods where there might be children playing, old people etc. Also it did not kill civilians purposely, and rarely did, I think that policy is still held.

I've grown up around street gangs and mobs, Oh yeah, I know 6 Street gangs memebers, All Gangster Disciples, knew them since I was 7 and they are all still breathing, I knew 2 wiseguys and one is in the ground and the other moved to Canada. and a Mafia against a Gang, Hmmm mafias are falling apart... Gangs are getting members by the second, and are become more ruthless.. Mobsters are becoming desprete and will do almost everything for money. I beleive if there was a war, the Mafia would hit alot of the main guys and there would be alot of blood shed. But then the street gangs would join together because they want the blood shed to end. They would probaly attack the mafia HARD. Drive bys everyday,the mafia would begin to crumble but then when the street gangs thought they won, the mafia would strick back. then they would both die out. But the mob would come back, a freash new start because everyone would be scared to join street gangs because they would think they were just like mafias, Mafias will gain control and then later street gangs would rise again. History repeats its self

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Mick