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Re: Why is John Gotti an important historical figure?
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12/10/03 10:52 AM
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I think that his life which has been highly documented is related to the typical rags to riches theory.He came from a broken home, lived his life on the streets and made a name for him-self as a collector for bookies and loan-sharks.He was not affraid of anyone nor was he affraid to kill. This being said,he was not the smartest guy running around,thus the end of an era,his stupidity and constant rise in celebrity were the means to his end. As far as a historical figure he did get his picture on the cover of a major publication, shared by people such as athletes,public figures and actors,he also never testified to the existance of cosa-nostra,he also died a painful death,which he probobly deserved.I could think of other people who were much more important and interesting then JOHNNY BOY.
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Re: Why is John Gotti an important historical figure?
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12/10/03 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: the Dunce as Don. More hysterical than historical.
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Re: Why is John Gotti an important historical figure?
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12/11/03 01:20 PM
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I have a feeling I'm gonna be sorry for asking...
Why would a career criminal and murderer be a hero to you?
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Re: Why is John Gotti an important historical figure?
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12/15/03 05:45 PM
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John Gotti was undone by his own stupidity. The only "clever" thing he ever did was planning the murder of Big Paul Castellano. Think about it: Gotti was convicted because the FBI had him on tape admitting to multiple murders and other crimes. He & his brothers were heavily involved in heroin dealing, which brought an increased amount of police scrutiny. Furthermore, Gotti was a maniacal gambler who regularly lost ridiculous sums of money.
He had little foresight as to ensuring the longevity of the Gambino family. For example, his words were a key factor in Sammy The Bull deciding to testify against Gotti. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Sammy at all, so please don't say I'm "pro Sammy." But Gotti's ranting about Sammy's activities that the FBI caught on tape were a big factor leading to Gotti's eventual downfall.
Gotti was able to use his position & money to bribe three juries, thus earning the "Teflon Don" moniker. But once the Bruce Mouw & the FBI discovered Gotti's law enforcement "mole," Gotti was finished. This dufus Gotti only had control of the Family for 7 years before being convicted for life. And during that period, he still managed to serve jail time.
So was Gotti an historical figure? I don't think so. I believe he was more of a media figure who couldn't get enough of his press clippings. Gotti was an egomania who never could think outside of his mentality of being a small-time hijacker from Queens.
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Re: Why is John Gotti an important historical figure?
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12/16/03 01:55 PM
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Oh well at least John Gotti went down without ratting out his own people.
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Re: Why is John Gotti an important historical figure?
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12/16/03 11:23 PM
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i think johnny was an important figure because his riegn was a death of an era. when old gives way 2 new. he proved that u can work the system, and 4 a hot N.Y. minute the man was "untouchable". although yes he did make a lot of mistakes and got 2 cocky wich only pissed the feds off more and made himself a bigger priority 2 them, i think thats what he wanted. the man was from the streets and his conflics with the feds became like a street scrap 2 him. yes he could've back down and regrouped, but i think he took his beef with the system personal (wich we all know in the "business world is a no-no). he wanted 2 rub it in thier face, the man was an old school street fightin man and wasn't going 2 back down a bit. ultimatly it was his downfall. 2 me he'll b the 1 who took on the system and gave it them a good fight.
p.s. court tv's crime library gots some good facts & probably some pictures 2.
I don't like this c-note rossato, I take this as an insult.
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Re: Why is John Gotti an important historical figure?
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12/22/03 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Don Pope: i dont think its right to be talking s*it on someone who died, regardless of wat they have done in their lives That policy wouldn't leave much for the history books, would it? Hitler. Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden. Mussolini. All nineteen 9/11 terrorists. Etc.
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