thank you plawrence

You just made a point of your own, by first reproducing our private conversation, and then trying to escalate it here.

And the point you've made is that you can't handle even the slightest criticism of your idol.

But there, there...you're still young (I hope) and will hopefully develop enough maturity over the years to be able to handle a political discussion without bouncing off the walls.

Best,
Apple

hey everybody good point AGAIN by apple

hey apple,

I think the problem is this, you brought up a point that you had no knowledge of. And when someone came at you with some facts you couldn't do anything but bit.h and moan about it. At no time did you bring up one good arguement or point all in all you had nothing to say.

By the way how do you figure i'm "Bouncing of the walls" what does that mean? what happend here is i brought up a host of good points on the late president and you didn't bring up any. So out of frustration you make these dumb comments.

I'll give you one last chance apple in front of everyone ok here it is:
PLEASE PRODUCE ONE REBUTTLE TO MY CLAIM AS KENNEDY BEING A GREAT PRESIDENT ACTUALLY ITS A DEFENSE REALLY ON YOUR POINT THAT HE WASN'T A GREAT PRESIDENT. I'll be waiting.

I'm calling you out apple c'mon step up to the plate! do it, do it c'mon what your scared apple? you know your wrong don't you apple. You said the wrong thing and now you have nothing to say. I guess i shut you down? is that what happend here people? i think so. I think apple is a little bitc_ thats right apple I THINK YOUR A SCARED LITTLE BITC_

First of all, sorry to Apple for quoting her on a post that should have been private that may or may not actually be her words.

But it is a very good point. The same can be said about Churchill although he was never martyred, he's only remembered as a hero today when infact he was far from it. But people refuse to hear the truth about it.

I don't know enough about Winston to comment but as i have expressed before turi... well you can take a look for yourself if you really care about what i have to say. I'm just waiting for apple to GROW SOME BALLS!

Wow, DFTC, not everyone lives awaiting for the next reply online for them to reply to the second after. You're a kid, grow up.

actually i'm not a kid alright partner its just that apple has made a statement i disagreed stated my points and he hasn't made one yet. Yea hes replied with a lot here-say but no facts. All i want is him to back up his comment with some facts just as anybody else. You know thats how you have a debate right?

Now, THAT would be an accomplishment!!!



Apple

well now that your in the conversation and you agreed with apple on JFK maybe i should enlighten you a little bit. For example do you remeber the Vietnam war? well did you know National Security Action Memoranda 263 issued in oct of '63 ordered the first 1000 u.s. troops home by x-mas. Also JFK planned to end ALL U.S. involvement in Vietnam by the end of '64. Thats not all either did you also happen to know that Kennedy started our space program the most successful one the world has ever known? Did you also know that along with his brother Robert and Martin L. King Jr. started the wheels in motion for Civil Rights in America for African Americans. Oh yea did you also know that the Bay of Pigs wich some people blame on Kennedy was in fact a CIA operation started by Eisenhower? And the reason for not providing air cover for the Cubans was because the U.S.S.R. was on its way with Nuclear Weapons. Who do you think prevented that? yea thats right Kennedy and he did this all in under 3 years. So please don't talk like an idiot.

obviously apple your very immature and don't know anything at all about the subject. Its just pathetic when someone can't admit when there wrong. As for the grow some balls comment i didn't realize you were a women and i apologize had i'd known i would have been talking in a different fashion. I still think your an idiot though would talked out of HER ass

what about you Turi you have anything to say? i didn't think so i know your a little bitc_

Sure that's how you debate, back up opinions with facts. But not once have you done this within this thread. You have made a load of sweeping statements with no proof with them. For example the following quote by you has no facts in it whatsoever, they MAY or MAY not be true. The simple fact is you've provided no proof at all. I don't know anything about Kennedy and it would be nothing short of foolish of me to just believe your comments.

Nota Bene, If you ever tried that in an exam you'd fail straight away. And don't say you're not a kid when clearly you are.

Thanks for calling me a bitch.

So much for 'talking in a different fashion'

Uh oh, Turi...looks like YOU'RE in the hot seat now. Hope you're not too nervous!

Apple

Listen, Cannolis, you made your point already.

You cited your reasons why you though JFK was a great president.
Apple said he wasn't.
You asked her for some specific examples why he wasn't.
She didn't provide any.
You pointed that out.

We can all read here. You just made the same point about six times. Enough already, man.

Apple's a big girl. She certainly doesn't need me to defend her. As a matter of fact, she and I disagree on just about everything political. I'm not defending her, I'm criticizing you.

As you say, a debate is an exchange of facts, ideas, and points. Not personal attacks on the individuals who are participating, and the repetition of the same point over and over.

your welcome first of Turi. Second i did give facts in my post right before your last one and if you want me to give authors, books, and pages thats no problem i will. Just so you know though they are facts i'm very strong with this topic b/c i admire the man very much but i also have dont a lot of research as well. I'm very educated on the subject and i wouldn't be talking about it if i wasn't alright.

Right, plawrence. And I really don't have to. What DFTC needs to do (since it's obviously so important to him) is point out specifically WHAT made JFK a 'great' President.

And as someone pointed out, he has so far failed to do that.

Best,
Apple

ps - plawrence is right, we completely disagree on everything political. But I like him anyway.

good point plawrence i respect that and your right. I was pointing it out to turi, and to me its just frustrating when you have a wealth of knowledge on a subject and no one takes you seriously thats all. I also just wanted to enlighten turi b/c he claimed he wasn't great and then goes on to admit he knew nothing about the man. Frustrating pure and simple but your right.

And let me add, BTW, that I think JFK was a good, not great, president.

But I am somewhat of a student of his assassination, and, as such, have read an awful lot about him and his presidency.

Yes, the Bay of Pigs invasion was a CIA operation about which JFK was misled, but I have never heard the claim that the reason he failed to provide air cover was because the Soviets were "on the way with nuclear weapons"

On the way where? They were gonna start WW III by dropping nuclear bombs on the USA? Or were they gonna drop them on the beach on the invaders, and wipe out the rest of Cuba in the process.

I think you're confusing this incident with the Cuban Missle Crisis, which took place later, when we placed a naval blockade around Cuba, and forced Russian ships which were carrying nuclear weapons to Cuba to turn around.

Haha, don't worry about it Apple, he was giving me the private message treatment weeks ago - Just for being from England and knowing a thing or two about the Mafia.

i'm at a loss for words right now apple. If you think i haven't brought up any good points then your more crazy than i thought. I think I brought up a lot of good points and i can back them up as well. You on the other hand haven't brought up any so far and as far as i'm concerned you won't.

Well, let's be fair to the guy. Apple. :rolleyes:

He did point out a few reasons why, in his opinion, JFK was a great president. And except for the Bay of Pigs stuff, I think they're all more or less fair points.

And I like you too, neighbor. Even if you're so far to the right that you're almost on the left. :p

well what happend plawerence is this the invasion happend. When Russia got wind of this the Nuclear weapons weren't "on the way" as i said that was a little misleading. What in fact happend was the upsetting of Russia which lead to them setting up nuclear weapon sites in Cuba which then led to the blockade of Cuba as you pointed out by the U.S. and there you have the Cuban Missle Crisis which by the way Kennedy avoided.

IMPOSSIBLE !!!!

Apple

is that all you have turi a little laughing icon and some words to apple. You too have no points to back up what you said. I think you and apple need to understand what a debate means. Anyone can just say something but can you back it up.

A little misleading? Sounds more like a complete mis-statement of facts to me.

0 for 4 apple on your chance to prove a point. Do what Bush can't admit you were wrong!

-side note I support Bush in everything he does I think he is a great leader. But I don't think were finding any WMD's

What I meant plawrence was that Kennedy got word for Kruschev (spelling I know) of what would happen if he did provide air cover. The result they came with them anyway it was the wrong choice of words alright plawrence.