Right. You're coming on to an internet board populated by people with high levels of knowledge about/interest in various aspects of organized crime and making claims which are the historical equivalent of "cold fusion". People, like any other group, are going to request proof. You can't provide it. So be it.

I'd definitely go with the majority having an "interest in" the matter, rather than possessing "high levels of knowledge about". I've spoken to 2, maybe 3 individuals here that actually know what they're talking about or are open to learning more about the subject.

When I say subject, I speak only of the Chicago Outfit. I don't know a damn thing about NY & you will never catch me posting on those matters.

ok let's speak rationally give us some proof. something. if you don't fuck around than im sure you would be more than happy to give us some cold hard facts. and i don't want names. i just want something more than "i just know" "im not getting into that" "im from chicago" and please, explain to me how im a wannabe? what am i trying to be? im just some asshole convicted felon on a message board. anything i say i back up. and if i'm wrong about something i admit it. ask anyone here that. i've often asked people to correct me IF i am wrong. not really trying to be anything. you on the other come off as a wannabe with your inside knowledge that appears to be some dreamland made up bullshit.

I'm not going to spill my guts & start listing off relatives or revealing things about my past just to satisfy some dopey goofball on a forum. Once again, if you'd like to discuss the Chicago Outfit rationally/thoughtfully, I'm all for it. But you don't know anything about organized crime here, so there is really nothing to discuss. You want to get into some he said/she said gossip queen games & I don't do that, sorry.

than why come on here at spout your line of bullshit? oh wait because thats what people as you do....spout BULLSHIT! just give your little spchill of your relatives and insiders a rest.

I've never spouted off a line of bullshit in my life. I noticed some individuals that in fact were spouting off bullshit about the Chicago Outfit so I thought I'd chime in with some actual truth. I'll continue to post & make my own decisions. Please refrain from responding to my posts & I will do the same. Good day, buddy.

this is a public forum. if your not in the buisness of backing stuff up than don't post.

And you made you're point, now you're just constantly repeating yourself.

+1

Oh brother. Lombardo and Marcello were two of the top guys in the Outfit. Those were big catches. And who's kids are you referring to? Oh wait, forgot, you can't say.



Over the past few decades the Outfit has been hammered by the feds almost as much as general attrition. Which is why you don't see that many big cases in recent years. There isn't a whole lot left compared to the past.

While there were once 7 or 8 crews, today there are 3 or 4, according to the feds. By any estimate you want to go with, the Outfit is much smaller and more limited in scope. Some guys, especially the higher ups like DiFronzo, have legit money in things like real estate, D&P, strip clubs, etc. But the rest have the street stuff like sports betting, video poker machines, burglaries, etc. You have to go back almost a decade for when the Carusos were kicked out of the Laborers Union. And into the 1990's for an actual Outfit-related indictment involving the unions. The political and police influence is not even close to what it was decades ago.

I think that you either accidentally missed or intentionally avoided my question. I was not referring to YOU specifically, but was speaking in general terms when I asked you if you feel the reason that someone may have "real knowledge' is because they actually have inside knowledge.

What are your feelings on how one may obtain "real knowledge" on such non-publicized inside information?

Family Secrets did nothing to the Outfit. You think that Grand Ave. guys are just gonna pack up cause fuckin old man Lombardo got locked up? "Well Little Jimmy's goin away, guess we gotta hang it up" lol you're out of your mind. Those guys are OLD MEN, they have sons & underbosses etc. etc. etc. that are more capable & able than they are or have been in a very long time.

Nobody said what's left of the Outfit is going to pack up. But for one of the remaining smaller families outside New York, losing some of their top guys is a blow anyway you cut it. Other than Joseph Lombardo Jr., who was kicked out of the Laborers Union at the same time the Carusos were, who are these "sons and underbosses" you're referring to?

See what you keep doing? You keep making all these claims but refuse (i.e can't) name any names, cite any sources. Just "I'm from Chicago." Blah, blah, blah. What's the old saying? Put up or shut up.

As far as Grand Ave. is concerned, Pordyla, Vena, & Spina are still out & about all damn day last time I checked, and they were running things even when Lombardo was a free man. Lombardo, Jr. is one of the young up-&-comers mentioned, as is Rocco Marcello. I could go on & on, I really have no idea who you think you are or where you get your bogus info from..

And fuck D&P construction. You find that browsing on the internet as well? That's their bullshit little front company, the Outfit still puts 90% of the heroin on the streets here, the DiFronzo family is unbelievably wealthy. I won't even go into their other endeavors, locally, nationally, or internationally but believe me, you don't know a goddamn thing about Elmwood Park, they are extremely powerful in many many different ways.

If anything, Family Secrets was one of the sleepiest, most boring Outfit trials. Nothing everyone didn't know already (except the feds LOL)

Ok, now see that you intentionally avoided my question. That in itself tells me what you really are and what you are really all about. Thanks!

What do you really think to expect with all this? If you can't back up you're statements with proper sources, no one is going to believe you, period.

Any fool can claim to have inside knowlegde.

thats your favorite thing to say...... IM NOT GETTING INTO THAT

Look the FBI guys promised him a deal. So he made up a lot of stuff about the Chicago outfit 'cause that's what they wanted -- but it was all lies -- uh -- everything. And he kept saying -- Sam Giancana did this and Tony Accardo did that -- .uh -- so he said yea sure, why not.

I apologize for not addressing your question, DonCardi.

Obviously, if you were raised around this & have/had family members that were intimately involved in these matters, and if you live in the area & keep an ear to the street, you will have a much better understanding of what really goes on here.

Or you could listen to the FBI, the Bureau that thinks fuckin RUDY FRATTO is actually a high-ranking Outfit official.................................... :-/

Yo Tone it down cuz..tone it down! I'm gonna send the lions the lambs and the sharks to come bite u in ur ass! Tone it down!!!

Ha! You really are the gift that just keeps on giving. If you ever decide to take a vacation from your fantasy world and visit earth and reality for a while, you'll find that both the FBI and mob experts have said that the Outfit has largely avoided involvement in the drug trade. And the lack of narcotics indictments involving the Chicago mob have proven that. For more than the past decade there have only been a couple drug cases connected to the Outfit, none of which involved heroin. Look at the drug cases in Chicago. It's the Mexican distribution networks and the street gangs.

the outfit and the decalvacante's are really the only 2 families that i can really think of that haven't had alot of involvement in drugs within the last 20 years...or atleast to my minimal knowledge...im not an insider...just an asshole from pittsburgh....i mean i try and use good resources, perhaps i should just put my ear to the ground...

You would be correct. And in a way, it's smart of the Outfit to avoid it. I've often wondered if Ronnie Jarrett's involvement in the drug trade was one reason he was killed.

ne theories as to why the decalvacantes don't involve themselves in the drug trade? not like they have alot else goin on....

I'm speculating that to insulate themselves, they will lend that shark money to finance some deals to associates,guys that done there time in the past, have a reputation for violence,etc.

They can't be some squirmy lil bitch

It's a good question. It could be that they see it as too risky, though that seems unlikely considering the big bust in the late 1990's and early 2000's involved a myriad of charges including sports betting, loansharking, labor racketeering, extortion, selling hijacked goods, an armored car robbery, selling stolen savings bonds, etc. But no drugs.

I wonder if Joey "The Clown" Lombardo sold drugs.

Even though he killed my father, he was like my uncle.