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Re: VINCENT
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07/18/02 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by pinche88: What do you guys think of Vincent~! One big contradiction: The book explicitly states that Lucy Mancini is *not* pregnant with Sonny's child at the time of his death. Puzo must have gone along with setting this aside. A little Vincent would have made Lucy's Vegas adventures a bit different... That said, Andy Garcia does quite the job. You think Mike Tyson got the ear biting idea here?
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Re: VINCENT
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07/25/02 07:13 PM
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Vincent is a great character for the movie, and while the story dosent really conflict with his existence. He's an excellent gangsta. When he bites Zaza in his ear, this shows his ruthlessness, when he shoots the two thugs who break in his house, this shows his negotiating skills. Vinny was great.
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Re: VINCENT
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07/26/02 12:59 AM
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I think Garcia actually fit the character Puzo and FFC wrote for him--a second-rate choice to succeed Michael. Garcia was shallow, vapid and vain, a two-dimensional character compared with, say, Sonny and Fredo. As such, he was a perfect fit with a modern Mafioso: an unworthy, self-centered successor to a real Don. This whole thread is beginning to suggest to me something I hadn't thought about before: what was Michael thinking when he decided to let Vincent get close to him and to succeed him? I'm thinking it had something to do with Anthony telling him just moments before Vincent made his appearance at the party: "I will always be your son. But I will never work for you." It may also have something to do with Michael losing it in his dotage. To repeat something Solozzo said in GF: "The Don...was slippin'."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: VINCENT
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07/26/02 11:55 PM
07/26/02 11:55 PM
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Daniel Corleone
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Originally posted by pinche88: I really liked Vincents character , i was happy the that the mike gave controle over 2 vinny, he looks like a good boss a lil crazy but in that buisness they have 2 i guess! What do you guys think of Vincent~! First of all welcome to the boards pinche88. I thought Vincent would have been a good Don. He listens well to Michael (to precious advices), brave (eliminated Zasa himself with his own initiative) and obedient (followed his uncle to let go of Mary). A good follower can become a good leader. Downside to his strong qualities is his temper. I totally agree with you The Italian Stallionette of him being a miscast. From the very beginning of the film he was a complete stranger (not even invited to the party, lol). ![[Linked Image]](http://www.thegodfathertrilogy.net/emoticons/lol.gif) I always thought Anthony would have been the successor but oh well. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.thegodfathertrilogy.net/emoticons/ohwell.gif) DC
"Life is so beatiful" - Don Vito in The Godfather novel "My name is Michael Corleone...There are people who'd pay a lot of money for that information" - The Godfather
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Re: VINCENT
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07/27/02 12:35 AM
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Hi Dan Corleone, Yes, I could never figure out why they didn't have Anthony or one of Sonny's boys go into the business.  It would have been more interesting to see Anthony give up his career and become like his father. Vincent sort of just came in as a stranger to the entire audience and didn't seem part of the family. I also found the storyline between Vincent and Mary, his cousin kind of disgusting and unecessary.  That made the story and Vincent even less appealing to me. 
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Re: VINCENT
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07/27/02 07:23 AM
07/27/02 07:23 AM
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It would have been more interesting to see Anthony give up his career and become like his father ...but wouldn't that just be like when Michael took over from vito, firstly saying he would never be in the business and then all of a sudden getting drawn into it...
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Re: VINCENT
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07/27/02 11:42 AM
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Yeah what was FFC thinking, hahaha. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.thegodfathertrilogy.net/emoticons/hugegrin.gif) It would have been at least better if Winona Ryder had played the part but oh well she got sick and delayed the shooting so what can they do right? ![[Linked Image]](http://www.thegodfathertrilogy.net/emoticons/ohwell.gif) I guess that is one of the weak points in GF III, the grotesque/incest love story. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.thegodfathertrilogy.net/emoticons/barf.gif) One of Hagans or Sonnys siblings could have been utilized but I guess they went the other way. DC
"Life is so beatiful" - Don Vito in The Godfather novel "My name is Michael Corleone...There are people who'd pay a lot of money for that information" - The Godfather
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Re: VINCENT
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09/17/02 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Undule8: Actually, I was pretty unimpressed w/ all the children in GF3. That love story was SICK. And what happened w/ Michael's children? For being the Don's kids they didn't have very strong personalities, and I didn't get the feeling they were very smart either.
Did anyone else think Andy has a strong resemblence to Pacino? Hi, I think Andy had a stronger resemblence to Robert DeNiro in GF2. Paul
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Re: VINCENT
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09/17/02 01:01 PM
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I think Vincent wasnt too bad, But I would have much liked more to see one of Sonny's real sons take over the family buisness like Frank or Santino Jr. This would have gave the story a little more eliment and would have been less confusing. I also didnt like the fact that Coppola let his daughter play such an important role, It kind of makes me a little sore at Coppola for doing so because I beleive part 3 as a whole could have been so much better without the bad acting of Mary. The plot itself for the movie wasnt too great, I wasnt feeling the whole big buisnesse's and chruch ordeal, all very confusing. Part 3 either should have never been made or should have been something else completely, like part 1 stay the same, part 2 be all about Vitos rise to power and the Corleone children growing up, and part 3 be like Michaels scenes in part 2, all about him in Vegas and being a ruthless Don and the very end of the Trilogy would just be him sitting lonely with all the memories of his past. Would have been CLASSIC!
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Re: VINCENT
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09/18/02 09:26 PM
09/18/02 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: This whole thread is beginning to suggest to me something I hadn't thought about before: what was Michael thinking when he decided to let Vincent get close to him and to succeed him? I'm thinking it had something to do with Anthony telling him just moments before Vincent made his appearance at the party: "I will always be your son. But I will never work for you." It may also have something to do with Michael losing it in his dotage. To repeat something Solozzo said in GF: "The Don...was slippin'." i thought the same thing before. it seemed real odd. at first, it seemed that michael didn't really know vincent as connie said, "sonny's boy" to mike. but then, it's apparent that vincent and michael had contact because mike said he offered a job to vincent, but vinnie took a job w/ zaza. then, after biting zaza's ear. mike takes in vincent very quickly and vincent is there by mike's side all the time. the whole relationship felt phony and awkward. then, the incredibly awkward scene IMO when michael annoints vincent as don.
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Re: VINCENT
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09/26/02 09:55 AM
09/26/02 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by puppeteer: [QUOTE]then, after biting zaza's ear. mike takes in vincent very quickly and vincent is there by mike's side all the time. the whole relationship felt phony and awkward. then, the incredibly awkward scene IMO when michael annoints vincent as don. It is an awkward scene, Puppeteer. But it occurs to me that it might be understood in the context of a major subtheme of GFIII: how Vincent and Michael used each other. Vincent, egged on by Connie, forced himself on Michael so that he could move up in the world. He crashed the party, probably because he (or more likely, Connie) knew Zasa would be there bad-mouthing him. Instead of accepting reconciliation with Zasa, he bit his ear. This forced Michael to choose between protecting Vincent or leaving him to Zasa--Michael probably would have preferred to have nothing to do with either Vincent or Zasa. Michael seemed amused to have Vincent around as a general gofer and protege. But after the Atlantic City shootup and Michael's seizure, Vincent saw another opportunity to ratchet up his career--by enlisting Neri's and Connie's support to kill Zasa while Michael was unable to stop him. That act forced another inimical choice on Michael: dump Vincent or promote him. Meanwhile, by romancing Mary, Vincent was trying to force Michael to accept him as a real family member instead of an illegimate hanger-on. But by that time, Michael realized that his "true enemy" wasn't a common pazzo like Zasa, but a dangerous combination of Altobello, Lucchesi and various nefarious figures associated with Immobiliari and the Vatican Bank. He also realized that his own failing health was a big handicap. His life was in danger. He also was terribly frustrated: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in." Michael really wanted out. How to stay out? He anointed Vincent as his successor. That way, Vincent would take the responsibility of protecting Michael, take the risks and be the target. Oh, and there was a quid pro quo: Vincent had to dump Mary. If things had worked out the way Michael wanted, the Vatican would have approved the Immobiliari deal, Michael would have been completely legit (and filthy rich), and Vincent, after killing Michael's enemies, would have become the heir to the semi-legit and non-legit remnants of the Corleone empire, the lightning rod for Michael's criminal former associates and potential enemies--and history as far as Mary was concerned.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: VINCENT
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09/26/02 06:50 PM
09/26/02 06:50 PM
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How'd I miss this? Moving to Godfather Trilogy forum since this has nothing to do w/ the DVD in particular...
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