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Re: End of line for Imus ?
[Re: goombah]
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04/12/07 06:27 PM
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I wrote earlier in this thread that I didn't feel that Imus' comment was racist. I must not keep up on my racially derogatory terms because I had never heard the reference he used before this controversy. Since the reference is racially biased, I amend my previous point and am glad to see what he received.
But what gets me is the double standard in this country. Stuart Scott, an African-American sports commentator on ESPN, was on Mike & Mike's morning show yesterday. He contended that when rappers use the "n-word" or refer to women as "bitches" or "ho's" in songs, that is perfectly acceptable.
Bullshit! If it is offensive when a white person says any of those words to a person of the other race, it is offensive when any person says those words. Period. I cannot stand it when I am in my city at lunch or out and about when I hear one African-American call another a "n-word." It is completely hypocritical that such a hateful word when uttered by some can somehow be construed as a term of "affection," as Stuart Scott contended.
I'd like to see Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, and some of these others who decry racism in all instances, not just when it's convenient. Good point. And why did he say that? Well, because he is black also. It's natural for peole to make excuses for transgressions by those with whom they have an affinity, a characteristic or two like race. But that doesn't make it right.
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
[Re: goombah]
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04/12/07 09:00 PM
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But what gets me is the double standard in this country. ....when rappers use the "n-word" or refer to women as "bitches" or "ho's" in songs, that is perfectly acceptable.
Bullshit! If it is offensive when a white person says any of those words to a person of the other race, it is offensive when any person says those words.
I'm not defending Imus, but Goombah I agree. To take it further, it is acceptable for minority comedians to make fun of whites, but the reverse is not true. But back on topic. CBS blew a chance to collaborate with Imus to change the decay in American media - the degrogatory, desparaging commentary that flows from our TV and radios. We need a kinder, gentiler society; not one that constantly insults and degrades people. CBS dumped Imus for one reason - money. Their sponsors were pulling out.
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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04/12/07 10:08 PM
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All I know is, Imus wont be pissing and moaning about his ranch anymore. Let us hope that you never know a kid that comes down with cancer then Ronnie. Both CBS and CNBC could have waited till after his fund raising days were done this week.
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
[Re: ronnierocketAGO]
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04/12/07 10:28 PM
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What is that supposed to mean? I was only refering, which was I have to admit already mentioned on this thread, how Imus would talk about the same things on his show...like his ranch(and no I wasn't refering to the cancer kid thing. More like how Leno would used to do Clinton and O.J. murder jokes nightly years after years).
To be honest, I'm surprised they actually pulled the trigger on Imus. I figured he would get slapped and screwed around like a rag doll, and forced to eat humble pie...several pies... Sorry, we are now boycotting you for being insensitive to those poor kids and we are also calling for Geoff to pull you off these boards forever. Get my drift? 
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
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04/12/07 11:32 PM
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Insensitive?!?! I only intended that post for comedy.... Wait, that didn't work for Imus. I helped tie the shoes of a kid in elementary school that wet his bed at night. I helped a pathological liar keep his lies straight. I once carried a kid to a doctor appointment because he suffered from "Lazy Ass." I help people! 
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
[Re: goombah]
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04/13/07 09:20 AM
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I wrote earlier in this thread that I didn't feel that Imus' comment was racist. I must not keep up on my racially derogatory terms because I had never heard the reference he used before this controversy. Since the reference is racially biased, I amend my previous point and am glad to see what he received.
But what gets me is the double standard in this country. Stuart Scott, an African-American sports commentator on ESPN, was on Mike & Mike's morning show yesterday. He contended that when rappers use the "n-word" or refer to women as "bitches" or "ho's" in songs, that is perfectly acceptable.
Bullshit! If it is offensive when a white person says any of those words to a person of the other race, it is offensive when any person says those words. Period. I cannot stand it when I am in my city at lunch or out and about when I hear one African-American call another a "n-word." It is completely hypocritical that such a hateful word when uttered by some can somehow be construed as a term of "affection," as Stuart Scott contended.
I'd like to see Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, and some of these others who decry racism in all instances, not just when it's convenient. Total applause for your post, Goombah.  I turned on FoxNews yesterday, and this black dude (is that racist?) on the O'Reilly Factor called Imus a superracist. When the guest host (not sure who she was, filled in for O'Reilly) asked whether we haven't been desensitized to words like "ni**er" and "ho's" (which I also didn't realize was a racial term), and whether Imus was just mimicking popular culture, the guy responded by saying that Imus isn't a 5 year old child and shouldn't repeat what he hears. When she asked why then rappers like Ludacris and others use "ni**er" profusely, he then proceeded to blame it on the slaveowners and white America. Does this mean rappers (read: blacks) are acting like 5 year old children?  There was also this guy from the Black Panthers on FoxNews last night who claimed white America fucked over the black community again after the verdict in the Duke lacrosse trial. Yeah. Tawana Brawley still hasn't gotten justice by the way. God, if I believed even half the shit that is spewed out of these peoples mouths, I think, collectively, as a race, we white people should just jump off a fucking bridge to save humanity. 
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
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04/13/07 01:50 PM
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About 12:37 PM CST I was watching MSNBC during which the host and guests were discussing this damn Imus thing. So, I had a thought. On my remote I punched in 55 which is the BET network. There they were, a bunch of half-naked black chicks undulating on the screen; there they were, a bunch of thug-looking black guys speaking almost unaudibly, but in a derogatory way about women thank God for close-captioning).
Just a random access on my part this one day, this one time. But, I bet, if I randomly punch 55 on my remote a few more times today (you can do it too), I will find the same crap. Where's the outrage Jesse? Where's the outrage Al?outrage
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
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04/13/07 05:29 PM
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And, sorry, but I don't buy into Snoop Dog's rationalization. In fact, his take on it is far more demeaning to blacks and women than anything Imus said
I think Snoop's logic was that when Imus calls nice sportwomen "hos", it's sexist (and racist witht he nappy part). But when rappers call women "hos", it's because they ARE hos, whether they be black or white or somewhere inbetwen. I think?
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
[Re: Saladbar]
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04/13/07 05:38 PM
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Time to tackle the real problem Friday, April 13, 2007 CORMAC GORDON OK, so they got Don Imus. The big bosses at MSNBC and CBS shoved him right under the bus, quicker than you can say, "Sponsor cancellations."
And that's fine, as far as it goes.
Imus took a chance.
He made some nasty statements.
People were rightfully offended.
The Rev. Al Sharpton declared that what Imus said when discussing the Rutgers women's basketball team would not stand.
"We cannot afford a precedent established that the airwaves can commercialize and mainstream sexism and racism," he said.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson agreed with him.
So did the Congressional Black Caucus.
So did a lot of walking-around, nobody-special American citizens everywhere from Hylan Boulevard to Sunset Strip.
Because of all the pressure -- and there was plenty of it from people like Democratic presidential candidate Barak Obama to sponsors like Procter & Gamble Co. -- the bosses said enough is enough.
They canned Imus yesterday afternoon.
Kaput!
"You're gone."
That's how simple it is to decide who gets on the American airwaves when you are in charge of international, multi-media empires.
Imus can pack up his entourage over at the WFAN studios now. He'll move on to pay radio, I'm guessing.
Or -- and you would only hope he'd be this smart -- he can take his millions and retire quietly to wherever he chooses to and live a life.
THE HARD PART
But now that Imus is gone comes the hard part, as far I'm concerned.
That would be making something positive out of the entire, ugly, overblown episode.
The only way that will happen is if those same bosses at CBS and MSNBC, and those same leaders like Sharpton and Jackson and the Congressional Black Caucus, stand up and tell the truth.
That truth is this:
Don Imus may have been part of the debasing of American pop culture, but he was nowhere near as important in the downhill slide as a lot of other people.
I'm talking about those folks who write and produce and perform and market anti-Semitic rap, and put together misogynistic music videos.
They make movies that glorify violence and dehumanize women. They fill television and radio with junk that any serious professional psychologist or educator will tell you is having a negative effect on young people in this country.
You know that's the case.
I know it.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson certainly know it.
THE MONEY
The people who run international, multi-media empires not only know of it, they are getting even richer than they already were from it. Keep this in mind. Several different reports yesterday put the revenue generated by the "Imus Show" at $20 million last year.
Wall Street people say that is just 1 percent of what the CBS radio division alone does in sales. I guess that what people meant when they put the word "Big" into big business.)
Still, pop culture in America is like the 800-pound Gorilla in the room.
And that goes for blacks as well as whites. Few are willing to even acknowledge a problem exists, never mind trying their hand at changing the direction even a little.
Why?
Money and power are reasons.
But so is lack of courage.
How are you going to get JayZ's support on this or that issue if you go around slamming his product? How could you expect Snoop Dogg to answer your calls if you started telling Americans his music is a problem for their kids?
That's the problem.
But just think what could happen if everyone showed just a little more nerve?
We're not talking about calling for censorship of this or restricting of that. This isn't about protest marches and boycotts, either.
But what if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson stood up and said that racist music is hurting kids. And that black mothers and fathers should at least try to keep it out of the house?
What if they said it all the time, and named names? What if, miracle of miracles, they actually went after one of the worst offenders?
Just to make a point?
Don't you think that would change things a little?
And what if the bosses at CBS and MSNBC said that the kind of stuff Imus has been getting away with on the radio is a thing of the past. That entertainers will just have to try and find another way to get laughs?
And what if they acted like they meant it?
That would also have to have an effect, wouldn't you say? I guess what I'm saying is, what if everyone with the power to make real difference shows a little collective bravery for once?
Wouldn't that be worth something?
Because if nothing comes of the last week then the whacking of Don Imus was just another somewhat tasteless pop culture media moment.
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With all the back and forth that's been going on in the news, on these talk shows, the different opinons, etc. I thought that this writer summed it up pretty well.
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
[Re: Saladbar]
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04/13/07 06:39 PM
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And, sorry, but I don't buy into Snoop Dog's rationalization. In fact, his take on it is far more demeaning to blacks and women than anything Imus said
I think Snoop's logic was that when Imus calls nice sportwomen "hos", it's sexist (and racist witht he nappy part). But when rappers call women "hos", it's because they ARE hos, whether they be black or white or somewhere inbetwen. I think? So then let's call a spade a spade. If I use the word n.igger, its because that person IS a n.igger, whether they be black or white or somewhere in between.
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Re: End of line for Imus ?
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I love it how people are actually saying rap is degrading. I listen to rap music. I like a lot of rap songs. I don't think that it's fair to generalize rap music as a whole as being degrading. It's like saying that because of what Imus did all radio personalities degrade woman or are racists. People shouldn't generalize like that. At the same time you cannot deny that some rap artists degrade woman. There are rap artists out there that do not degrade woman and there are rap artists that do degrade woman in their songs.
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