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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
[Re: olivant]
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08/04/07 11:31 PM
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Many scenes end up on the cutting room floor.
But, as the novel explains, it was only Luca who could make Vito feel nervous because Luca was an uncontrollable force. Luca let Vito control him. Also, Luca's reputation was well known in the underworld and allied community, so his presence might make some people uncomfortable. Afterall, it was a celebration. More detail: Tom tells Vito, "He didn't expect to be invited..." I took that to mean that Vito's nervousness about having Luca around lingered until it meant that Luca's invitation was a last-minute decision. Probably Vito felt a) Luca's fearsome appearance would make other guests nervous; and b) his presence would be a reminder to some people that the Corleone empire rested on the kind of brute force that Luca represented.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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08/06/07 09:17 AM
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Many scenes end up on the cutting room floor.
But, as the novel explains, it was only Luca who could make Vito feel nervous because Luca was an uncontrollable force. Luca let Vito control him. Also, Luca's reputation was well known in the underworld and allied community, so his presence might make some people uncomfortable. After all, it was a celebration. More detail: Tom tells Vito, "He didn't expect to be invited..." I took that to mean that Vito's nervousness about having Luca around lingered until it meant that Luca's invitation was a last-minute decision. Probably Vito felt a) Luca's fearsome appearance would make other guests nervous; and b) his presence would be a reminder to some people that the Corleone empire rested on the kind of brute force that Luca represented. So continuing with this thought, would it also be possible that Vito was trying to gain some sort of respectability by disassociating himself from sinister types? Keep in mind also this dialogue at the wedding: VITO CORLEONE Prego. (then, to Tom Hagen, after Bonasera leaves the room) Ah, give this to ah, Clemenza. I want reliable people; people that aren't gonna be carried away. I'm mean, we're not murderers, despite of what this undertaker says.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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08/06/07 10:45 AM
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I always saw it as Vito,wanting to get through everybody on the list as quick as possible,so he could then go and enjoy his daughters wedding.The tone in Vito's voice,seems to sound impatient,rather than fear.
The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters. Cus D'Amato
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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I always saw it as Vito,wanting to get through everybody on the list as quick as possible,so he could then go and enjoy his daughters wedding.The tone in Vito's voice,seems to sound impatient,rather than fear. VITO CORLEONE I want you to go tonight; I want you to talk to this -- movie bigshot, and settle this business for Johnny. Now, if there's nothing else, I'd like to go to my daughter's wedding.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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08/08/07 12:13 PM
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One of the deleted scenes was an early encounter between Vito and Luca. Neither ever talked about it. It happened in the sauna. Luca still had feelings, but Vito wanted to put it all behind him. That's when Vito said "Luuuuuuuuca....you got some splainin to do!"
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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08/08/07 12:46 PM
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I always took as if the Don, was uneasy about Luca. Maybe he was somewhat afraid. Luca was a very dangerous man and possibly could turn on Vito? As it is known the Don was the only person that Luca was afraid of. Maybe it was the other way around too?
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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08/10/07 11:06 AM
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We all know Luca was a devoted follower of Don Vito. My guess is that it was Vito's fear of losing the friendship of Luca. You see Vito was very careful with his friendship with Luca. He might be afraid to screw up some petty thing when meeting with Luca, which would reduce Luca's loyalty towards himself. Luca didn't have a normal mind, making him somewhat uncontrollable. We all have such kind of person around ourselves.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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08/10/07 12:10 PM
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Many scenes end up on the cutting room floor.
But, as the novel explains, it was only Luca who could make Vito feel nervous because Luca was an uncontrollable force. Luca let Vito control him. Also, Luca's reputation was well known in the underworld and allied community, so his presence might make some people uncomfortable. After all, it was a celebration. More detail: Tom tells Vito, "He didn't expect to be invited..." I took that to mean that Vito's nervousness about having Luca around lingered until it meant that Luca's invitation was a last-minute decision. Probably Vito felt a) Luca's fearsome appearance would make other guests nervous; and b) his presence would be a reminder to some people that the Corleone empire rested on the kind of brute force that Luca represented. So continuing with this thought, would it also be possible that Vito was trying to gain some sort of respectability by disassociating himself from sinister types? Keep in mind also this dialogue at the wedding: VITO CORLEONE Prego. (then, to Tom Hagen, after Bonasera leaves the room) Ah, give this to ah, Clemenza. I want reliable people; people that aren't gonna be carried away. I'm mean, we're not murderers, despite of what this undertaker says. Now keep in mind that Vito's question to Tom was not about inviting Luca to the wedding; it was about meeting with Luca. As I said in my post above, only Luca could make Vito feel nervous and, like anybody, he sought to avoid nervous situations.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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08/10/07 12:34 PM
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I think Vito was genuinely annoyed and wanted to get back to his daughters wedding.
-In my HOME!!! In my BEDROOM WHERE MY WIFE SLEEPS!! Where my children come and play with their toys. In my home.
-My father taught me many things here -- he taught me in this room. He taught me -- keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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I always thought the Don saying "is it necicery" meant that he knew what Luca had to say I doubt he was scared to be in a room with Luca.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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01/14/08 07:49 PM
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I always thought the Don saying "is it necicery" meant that he knew what Luca had to say I doubt he was scared to be in a room with Luca. Right, Vito was not scared of Luca. But as others mentioned Luca was the only person who could make Vito nervous. Considering Vito's own fearsome reputation that says a lot about Luca.. On Connie's wedding day perhaps Vito just didn't feel like taking all the energy needed to show Luca that he valued and respected him. The Don was trying to have positive thoughts... 
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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01/15/08 10:52 AM
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Then again there was that night years ago when they had to spend the night in Hoboken and there was only one bed. The Don didn't like to be reminded about it, but Luca never forgot. Hmm this might explain Fredo's tendencies (according to Lebo).
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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01/20/08 03:40 AM
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SC: Thanks for your welcome! I was a member under the same name awhile ago and posted much more frequently. However, I am teaching again and it is always a demanding and time consuming job--but I love it very much. So, I haven't really had a lot of time to spend on this board. I decided to see if my name and password would go through, and it didn't. So, interestingly, I had to check into the "new" board (new as opposed to the "old" board when I first joined) using the same name and password! I guess what inspired me to check out the board again was I was watching "The Godfather", a special on A & E tonight. AND, I am watching it for the second time tonight. I could actually say the dialogue with the sound turned off, I've seen it so many times!
Well, thanks again for the warm welcome! I hope to see more of the board as time goes on.
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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01/24/08 10:14 PM
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That's awful! It sounds like this real life hitman called "The Iceman". I can't remember his real name, but there was a special on him (I think it was A&E, but I'm not sure). He was interviewed by a psychologist, I think. He appeared so cold-blooded and heartless, but I think it was just an act. I think he was starved for love and this was his way of not allowing it to bother him. He did marry and had 2 or 3 children, whom he loved very dearly. His family did not know what he did for a living. Near the end, when his wife and children found out who and what he was, they left him. He died in prison after only a few years. I don't remember what he died of, but it was such a sad, sad program. I wanted to cry for him.
~ Sadie
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Re: Why doesn't Don Corleone want to see Luca
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01/25/08 11:03 AM
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That's awful! It sounds like this real life hitman called "The Iceman". I can't remember his real name, but there was a special on him (I think it was A&E, but I'm not sure). He was interviewed by a psychologist, I think. He appeared so cold-blooded and heartless, but I think it was just an act. I think he was starved for love and this was his way of not allowing it to bother him. He did marry and had 2 or 3 children, whom he loved very dearly. His family did not know what he did for a living. Near the end, when his wife and children found out who and what he was, they left him. He died in prison after only a few years. I don't remember what he died of, but it was such a sad, sad program. I wanted to cry for him.
~ Sadie His name is Richard Kuklinski. He worked with Roy DeMeo, a notorious Gambino capo and I thought I remember hearing that he was involved in the Castellano hit.
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