This has been bugging me for the last 2 days...in Godfather 2 when Connie comes to the communion both michael and their mother make a mention that connie didn't even see her children. I am only aware of the one child she had with Carlo. Then, today I started to read Godfather returns and there is mention that Connie is holding her newly baptized son, and her 6 year old Victor had been squirming the whole flight over. Who the heck is this older kid? Am I just overthinking this? I've been asking around and no one knows the answer. Please let me know if you can help. Thanks!

The older kid is Victor her son by Carlo. Michael scolds her for seeing her "children" only on weekends. Her mother scolds her because she's hooked up with Merle and the ink on her divorce isn't even dry. So, she had plenty of opportuntiies to have other children (within holy matrimony anyway).

She has at least two children with Carlo. When Carlo beats her, she is pregnant with her first child. Years later, we know that she has Michael Francis Rizzi, who is baptized by Kay and Michael.

Exactly, SB!
Plus, Connie had been married at least once after Carlo bought the farm:
--The novel states that she "filled her bed" with a Corleone family employee.
--In GFII, Michael says, "The ink on your divorce isn't even dry.." and yet she's running off with Merle.
She might have had more kids that we didn't know about.

Just like Fredo?

And according to GF3, just like Sonny!

Maybe the money she begged Michael for in the boathouse wasn't for passage on the Queen?

Point of order: Kay and Michael didn't do the baptizing, it was done by the priest.


From the Baltimore Catechism.



318. Who can administer Baptism?
The priest is the usual minister of Baptism, but if there is danger that someone will die without Baptism, anyone else may and should baptize.

In the book I believe it was Confirmation, not Baptism. So, I must have been an older son, not the newborn.

Technically, that is true, but in my family we refer to the godparents as the people who "baptized" the baby.

Then who was the bishop, as a bishop is the usual administer of Confirmation?

Again from the Baltimore Catechism:


331. Who is the usual minister of Confirmation?
The bishop is the usual minister of Confirmation.

That is all well and good, as long as your family realizes that they are wrong.

Johnny...The Baltimore Catechism? The one with the blue cover? I thought they moved it to Indianapolis after Vatican II. I remember having to memorize that thing. And as for baptism I always thought it was cool that anyone could baptize people. When I was about 8 I went around baptizing (often without their knowledge) all my non Catholic friends, as well as dogs, cats and the occasional rabbit.

Its been so long ago, that I really don't remember the color of the cover, but I seem to think it was blue. But I do remember having to memorize the whole thing.

As funny as it might seem, it appears as though it is very possible that have saved many souls, by baptizing them. According to the rules, you had reached the "age of reason", your friends being non Catholic, didn't have access to a priest, so I would imagine your Baptisms are valid and will stand up. I am not too sure about the dogs and cats, since it really isn't certain whether or not their are pets in Heaven.

"Wanna laugh? Last week this guy asked me to baptize his kid. SEVEN THOUSAND I CHARGED HIM!!"
Oops, wrong film...

A storyline involving Connie's sons--or at least one of them-- should've been included in GFIII. Perhaps even as rivals to their fabricated bastard cousin Vincen, if he absolutely had to be part of the movie.

Instead, they are not even mentioned. What a waste.

Apple

I agree. In fact, I think it would have been a good idea to profile most if not all the brothers and Connie's kids. For example, whatever happened to Sonny's daughter who was onher way to being married in GFII?

But, I guess you can't address every prior character or situation.

So many if only s

What about a "kids" war between all the children of all the family members for control of the Corleone Empire?

She married that wealthy guy who came to meet Michael. Turns out he took Michael's advice and took a few business courses.
When he figured out that Michael was making a move on Immobiliare, he took short positions on that company and the Vatican bank. Doubled his money.

Who cares about Sonny's twin daughters?!?!?! They played no prominent role in the running of the Family, nor would they ever.

A good point to bring up though, was that Sonny & Sandra's youngest son (who was a baby when Vito is shot and therefore would be slightly older than Vincent) is just as nonexistent in GFIII as are Connie's children. With Anthony as uninterested in the Family Business as he is portrayed to be, what a classic rivalry it would've been to have all these male cousins involved in the story. Tom Hagen's son the priest is in my opinion present ONLY to make up for the absense of Robert Duvall and as an excuse for Michael to mention Tom's death and therefore explain him out of the film.

Such a shame when you think of what a good movie this could've been.

Apple

Boy, for someone who has claimed time and time again that they never have and never would sit down and waste their time watching Godfather III, you sure seem to know a lot about it and post quite a bit about it and what it lacked.

You sure that you're really not a closet GFIII fan?

Well, although I gave it an honest try during that last GF weekend a few weeks ago, I still have not managed to sit through the whole thing. After all these years of seeing bits and pieces and reading about it here on the BB, it's no secret nor have I ever tried to make it one that I am familiar with several scenes and know about at least some of the plot having to do with the Family. All that Vatican stuff I still have yet to either figure out or care about.

So, Don Cardi...your point is....????

My point?

Never say never.

Why don't you two get a room somewhere?

I care. That's who!

Wouldn't a more appropriate moniker for you be "LemonOnYa"?

Your's was the last with the double beds.

Besides, there's NO VACANCY

Besides, I think the Bates Motel has been torn down.

Hey its still around!

Fo those of you old enough to remember:

I wanna be Connie's kid
I wanna be Connie's kid
That's the most important thing to me
'Cause if I was Connie's kid
If I was Connie 's kid
What a grateful, thankful kid I'd be.