Ok this topic could stir up some heated discussions but here it goes.

Every year me and 3 guys go deer hunting we help each other fill their permits, well earlier today I went with one of them so he could check in his deer. And some kid saw the deer in the back of my truck and he said "mommy they did a bad thing they killed an innocent deer"

Then naturally his mom started to accost my buddy and I. I simply stated that we're helping to control Nebraska's deer population(which in nebraska it's bad) She then asked how do I figure that, and I simply stated that with less deer out there there is less chances for auto-accidents involving deer. Then she stated that she doesn't care how many accidents happen as long as the "innocent deer" doesn't get killed.


Then I looked at her and asked would she still feel that way if she and her son were in an accident involving a deer. and her son was killed?

She had no response to that.

Granted asking what I did involving her son was maybe a little low and maybe uncalled for. But by that time I to pissed to even care. I also look at it this way she dragged her son in it first so he's fair game.


I don't mind people thinking the way they do about certain issues, but when they basically force those same views on their children who are to damn young to know what is really going on. That's going to damn far.


On a side note I haven't got my deer yet, but I have all week to accomplish that.

My hubby is hunting also this week. I hope you get a nice buck. Can you go for a doe also Iceman? My hubby is in Kentucky now and he can only get a buck. Next month when he goes for muzzleloading I think he can get either. I see nothing wrong in hunting as long as you do it the legal way and not poaching.
The only thing I hate about it it's a very expensive hobby.

Good luck to ya.

Personally, I don't wanna shoot any animals but I suppose the hunting season on deer may be OK if it helps thin out the population which would suffer due to overgrazing, etc.

Why do I find your reasoning for shooting deer highly suspect?

Answer to yourself; I've no wish to continue in this thread.

Kill deer if you want, but don't forge excuses. It makes you sound lame.

(And the hypocrisy deepens.)

And how do you think the Indians ate? I have a freezer full of deer meat so I'll never starve.

OK, thats one thing. If you're killing an animal to feed your family then I see nothing wrong with it, but you complained its an expensive hobby (hunting). In the end, is it cheaper to buy venison meat in bulk or is it cheaper to hunt it yourself? (Don't forget to add up all the hunting related expenses).

All I said is I don't wanna shoot the animal myself. (I have no qualms about eating slaughtered animals, though).

Yes it is an expensive hobby for the Col. but he enjoys getting out in the woods so the expence is ok for him. This is his way to relax. He loves going out to the mountains and the woods. I told him he must've been a hermit in another life.

Hey SC, if he gets a deer this year I'll bring ya some to the next BB weekend. What would you like roast,steak,hamburger,chops?

Wouldn't it be ironic if he was a deer in another life?

Thanks, Mig. Give me 10 bucks and I'll be happy.

Well he is my dear.

As Homer Simpson put it, "Doe"!!!

yeah Mignon I can go for a doe I have an either or permit. Yeah it would be nice to get a big buck but if I see a doe she's going down. They all taste the same.

Like your husband when I go muzzleloader hunting in December I can get either one plus as many as I like.




I'm assuming you're referring to me with this post. But I can guarantee you that when I stated killing the deer helps control the population it's the truth. You don't live in Nebraska(or the states for that matter) so you have no clue.

You have no idea how many accidents there are involving deer. that's due to over-population.

So kindly don't make assumptions about items you have no clue about.


Now if your post was not inresponse to me then I apologize for going off on you.

Couldn't an argument be made to better educate and train drivers in areas where the deer live?

I wasn't disputing that. I was disputing that that was the only reason you hunt. I strongly doubt it's merely out of social kindness. But that's the kind of guy I am; a skeptic until the furnished veneer of reality is dug up enough to reveal, by means of blunt harshness or intellectualised logic, the filth beneath.

Perhaps there are so many crashes due to human over-population, due to the ever-growing need to feed the State with robots to carry out their means with an utter lack of self-conscious individuality; the State needs people to bring in money, to earn capital, in its bid to be the indisputed leader of the world. In abstract terms, deer causing car crashes is an effect of the assembly line manufacturing cars, cars being the very embodiment of a capitalist regime, consumerist society, self-righteous Hell.

For what it's worth, I don't really have a problem with you killing deer.

I have to argue on the side of Iceman on this specific idea that reducing the population of deer will reduce the amount of traffic accidents involving deer. I grew up in California, but I lived on the Monterey Peninsula which is overrrun by deer, as well as raccoons. I have personal experience with knowing a person who hit a deer and almost died by being crushed by the deer that went through the windshield to crush him.

I can also say that on my very first day as a FedEx courier I left the terminal in the truck for the very first time. As I was driving down highway 68 a deer sprinted across the highway from the other side of the road. The timing would have had me hit the deer if it wasn't for a small Honda Civic on the other side of the road hitting it first. I heard the crunch as I jumped thinking I was going to hit it. I don't know if the driver survived.

All the training in the world wouldn't have prevented that deer from freaking out for whatever reason and taking off across traffic and getting hit.

I say this knowing I could never shoot an animal. In fact I even get frustrated for my family smooshing Daddy Long Legs or other innocent bugs. But I don't hold it against people or think different of them. After all, I do love to fly fish although I take all of my training into consideration when it comes to safely catching and releasing the fish, unless I plan to eat them.

Hunting in general is a touchy subject, and while I couldn't shoot a deer, I don't look down on those who do.

Whatever it is Iceman, remember 'one shot'

Is fly fishing easier or harder than using a regular fishing pole? The Col. went out and bought a fly fishing pole but he's never used it yet.

I once went to Arkansas, and tried fishing for first time in my life. I didn't know shit, I took plastic baits from walmart. The fishes were too smart for it I guess. I didn't get any fish after 4 hours. And that was the last time I fished.

This is one of those emotional/illogical argument issues. I am sensitive to environmental and conservation issues, but I support the organized, controlled sport hunting that occurs with animals such as deer, bear and turkey.

With the hunting issue, it is hard to separate it from the many issues of man's management of the earth; logging, road-building, water, fertilizers, home-building, mining, etc. We harm the environment and the eco-systems in so many ways. To single out sport hunting as offensive, well I think that big, gas guzzling Lincoln Navigator is more offensive than deer hunting. Now if you are a vegetarian and opposed to killing animals I can sympathize with you and respect your argument, but you better not be wearing leather shoes.

What we tend to find are hypocritical arguments; like, "I only buy American goods," like the American car with parts made in Mexico. How can you hunt those beautiful animals? Excuse me, is this mink coat on sale?

If you want to hunt deer and you do it within the laws, then have a safe, fun time. But too often the argument against hunting is an emotional response (they are so cute!). I happen to think cows and pigs are cute, but I don't hear anyone getting too upset when they are led to slaughter. I'll have the filet mignon, please.

I have never hunted, nobody in my immediate family were/are hunters,(well, by brother in law is) but I have many relatives who are avid hunters and grew up in the MidWest which surrounded me by friends/neighbors were were avid hunters. I couldn't tell you when squirrel season, rabbit season or whatever is. The only reason why I know "when" deer season is, is because I got married on Nov. 14, and couldn't believe the relatives coming out of the wordwork to ask why oh why would we pick the day before opening day to get married.

All that being said, let's face it, hunting is a sport and the fact is there are many many people who enjoy that sport. It IS legal. To make accusations and/or attack a hunter for this as if it were a crime is really ridiculous and unfounded. Like I said I've never have hunted and have no desire to hunt, but Iceman, I would have told that lady to take a long walk off a short pier.

Btw, I can't say it's on my shopping list, nor do I want one, but if I could afford say, a mink coat and wanted one, I'd get one. Does that make me horrible? Oh and steak, I'd go absolutely crazy without a stake fix.

Yea, it is a touchy subject for some, but bottom line is, it's legal and their are no grounds to attack and/or single out one person for legally following the hunting rules.

Oh, and Bibble, I think I've only known one person in SoCal that was a hunter, and he sort of kept it under wraps I think, because it is so unpopular here IMHO compared to the Midwest or East.

TIS

And in many places - like Northeast PA - schools are closed for opening day of deer season.

MaryCas's first = the best in this thread.

MC,

Just a "tad" off topic. Many of those relative hunters came to the church for my wedding (back then it seemed more obligatory to attend a relatives wedding I guess)BUT....had all their hunting gear in the car so they could take off right after the ceremony. Yep, I realized then just how dedicated these hunters were.

Hey, but a day off school? Ha ha They never did that at my school. That's great!!!

TIS

Every winter, I head to China to help them out with their baby population.

That's true. that's where I ghrew up, and we always had that day off until I went to a jesuit High school, and we got All Souls Day off instead.

I support the hunters, Iceman, even though I never hunted. I'm not morally opposed or anything, I just had other interests. Hunting is popular in Pennsylvania (outside of philadelphia), and all of the hunters I've known take their deer to butchers. Venison is quite good and very lean.

I frequently see deer grazing along highways. In fact, they have come up to my back yard at times. There was actually a problem several years ago where the deer population here became too great, and their natural habitat and food supplies couldn't sustain them all. Many were eating bark from trees, which they couldn't digest.

Also, as we build more and more homes in outlying areas, we come more and more in contact with deer, which are beautiful animals. They carry, however, the deer tick, which ,in turn, is a spreader of lyme disease, which becomes a serious problem for humans.

I also agree about the danger that an excessive deer population causes on the highways. Today I drove almost two hours on Interstate 81, and saw several carcasses along the highway. Some years there are many more. While I realize that hunters don't only hunt because of a compelling civic obligation, I don't criticize them if they enjoy the hunting experience.

However, I remember years ago that there were areas where the hunters would hang their deer from trees in front of their house as a decoration. This was distasteful, as well as several other adjectives that apply.

Just a question, Iceman, do you freeze what you kill?

When we lived in WVA I seen several homes this time of year with deer hanging. They are draining the blood out.

I've seen that, but the place where I remembered, the deer would hang from Thanksgiving through Christmas. Sometimes there'd be lights on the tree from which the deer would be hanging, and in one case, the nose was spray painted red.