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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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11/05/08 06:14 PM
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ronnierocketAGO
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Thanks for the civics lesson. My point is that the libs and the gay rights movement will most likely not stand for this and will fight it, whatever avenue they have to take to do it.
"We pick ourselves up and trudge on," said Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights. "There has been enormous movement in favor of full equality in eight short years. That is the direction this is heading, and if it's not today or it's not tomorrow, it will be soon."
Apple
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And why would any of that bother you? Its such nonsense like this is why the GOP is fractured right now, what when the GOP base only gets out of bed if it involves only abortion and gays. Otherwise, they won't do shit. A pity, because gays are probably the new Blacks....that is, a minority that is shit on by every other group, used stereotypically as a ruler-stick of sub-human activities or a social scapegoat.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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11/05/08 06:20 PM
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I heard that John Kerry might be considered for Secretary of Defense, and Jon Corzine to head the Treasury. Corzine is an asshole. I hope he doesn't get it. No way on #1. Kerry, if reports are to be believed, would rather be Secretary of State. BUT I think that gig will go to Bill Richardson. As for Corzine...fuck no he won't head Treasury. IF anything, whoever Obama appoints for that posting will be his first Presidential act...months before he's sworn in officially. Also, Corzine IS an asshole.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Longneck]
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11/05/08 06:22 PM
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AUSTIN -- State Board of Education member Cynthia Dunbar isn't backing down from her claim that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is plotting with terrorists to attack the U.S.
The Texas Freedom Network, a watchdog group that monitors the board, released a public statement Monday asking Dunbar to retract the statement.
"I don't have anything in there that would be retractable," said Dunbar, R-Richmond. "Those are my personal opinions and I don't think the language is questionable."
In a column posted on the Christian Worldview Network Web site, Dunbar wrote that a terrorist attack on America during the first six months of an Obama administration "will be a planned effort by those with whom Obama truly sympathizes to take down the America that is threat to tyranny."
She also suggests Obama would seek to expand his power by declaring martial law throughout the country.
"No matter who you support for president, we should all be able to agree that Ms. Dunbar's disgusting attack is a shocking example of the extremism that has infected the state board," TFN President Kathy Miller said.
"It's stunning that a board member who helps decide what Texas children learn in their public schools would say something so disgusting and reprehensible. She should be taking refresher courses in civics and good citizenship, not deciding what Texas kids learn."
The State Board of Education will begin revising public school social studies curriculum standards after adopting standards for science next year. Those standards will determine the content in new public school textbooks.
"Right now, we're still in America and we still have freedom of speech," Dunbar said. "And unless that's changed, I'm not aware of it."  Ya'll need to go to that site and read some of the columns posted there (Apple, you would feel at home). Some of the language is bizarre.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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11/05/08 06:22 PM
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Btw, the polls which on an average showed an Obama lead of approximately 6 points, turns out to be accurate. (I was way off when I guessed 10).  Anyway, unless there are tons of votes yet to be counted, which I doubt. But isn't the electoral vote considered somewhat of a landslide at 349 to 173? And, if I'm not mistaken there is still one or two more states too close to call (Indiana is one think.) Obama 52 per cent McCain 46 per cent http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/TIS I would call it a landslide. Not Reagan Landslide, but its a landslide, and a great victory in how for the first time in 44 years, a Democratic President won Indiana and Virginia, and North Carolina since 1976.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Just Lou]
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11/05/08 06:33 PM
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ronnierocketAGO
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I heard that John Kerry might be considered for Secretary of Defense, and Jon Corzine to head the Treasury. Corzine is an asshole. I hope he doesn't get it. No way on #1. Kerry, if reports are to be believed, would rather be Secretary of State. I just read that he wants Secretary of State, which probably makes more sense. One of the talking heads mentioned Defense Secretary. This reminds me of AwardsDAily, a nice website that spends 98% of its time speculating who's in contention for an Oscar nomination, and every possible contender is brought up, and then brought down. Nothing is clear until the nominations are announced, and then later awarded.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Karl9905]
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11/05/08 06:50 PM
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Karl, I am confused by your remarks. This is a celebration for ALL people. In this country, when "separate but equal" (which was anything BUT) was the norm, when seats were doled out by race, when housing was denied based on gender or race, when all of this was only too recent, to see a man that is half African succeed to the highest office in the land, it certainly reason to celebrate, because it shows how far we as a nation have come.
Nobody is "on top". If this election proves anything, it proves that barriers have been destroyed. This is not what I feel is coming to light here. And after reading several comments by other board members, in this very thread, I think race is a sore spot to many. Enough already, we all know where he came from. It seems like everybody has to keep saying it over and over again. No wonder some people feel like it is being stuffed down their throat. He is a person, a man, skin color shouldn't be the most important point here. The news media has done nothing but show as many times as they can blacks celebrating, like they just got there freedom or something. There is an old saying, if you don't want to be singled out, then don't single yourself out. He is the President Elect Obama. NOT President Elect BLACK Obama! That is my point. Obama's been clear from day one (perhaps to a fault) that he intends to be President of all Americans. If anyone is concerned that Obama wouldn't be I would just ask them if they thought that all the previous Caucasian Presidents were only representing white people. In any event it was a historic event. Considering the history of the country it is certainly should not come as a surprise that many Black people were especially happy and overwhelmed to see Obama win. There are still quite a few people alive who grew up under segregation after all. There are even a few very rare Black people living who are children of former slaves. http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/10/27/1027jones.htmlThe writer Steve Barnes gives a particularly poignant explanation of the feelings of pride, acceptance and the validation of his belief in America as he watched the election results. http://darkush.blogspot.com/2008/11/ok-so-hes-not-as-smart-as-i-thought.htmlThis blogger also gives credence to the historic nature of the event even as he cautions us that ultimately Obama is a politician and true change comes from the individual. http://www.averagebro.com/2008/11/random-thoughts-on-day-after.htmlSo I don't think that anyone should feel threatened or put off by people, Black people celebrating. As far as getting "singled out", if you're Black that happens a wee bit more than you might like anyway... 
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Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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11/05/08 07:17 PM
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Don Andrew
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Thanks for the civics lesson. My point is that the libs and the gay rights movement will most likely not stand for this and will fight it, whatever avenue they have to take to do it.
"We pick ourselves up and trudge on," said Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights. "There has been enormous movement in favor of full equality in eight short years. That is the direction this is heading, and if it's not today or it's not tomorrow, it will be soon."
Apple
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Civil rights are civil rights are civil rights, baby. Circa 1960: My point is that the blacks and the civil rights movement will most likely not stand for this and will fight it, whatever avenue they have to take to do it....and why shouldn't they fight it? They should fight it all the way, all the FUCKING way. I'm rooting for them. 
Last edited by Don Andrew; 11/05/08 07:21 PM.
Hey, how's it going?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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11/05/08 08:42 PM
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The Ravenite Social Club
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"President" Obama might pick RFK, Jr. as EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) head.
I think that he'd be an excellent pick. I heard that John Kerry might be considered for Secretary of Defense,
I have more hope of it getting better with Obama in office than I would have if McCain won.
Not if he makes that kind of a pick for Secretary Of Defense!   I'd really like to see Presdient Obama pick someone like Senator John McCain as a member of his cabinet. All joking aside, as an American I only hope that in 6 months, a year, 4 years from now, I can say that I was wrong and that President Obama actually turned out to be a good President. As an American I only hope that he does the right thing for us and proves all of us who voted for McCain and doubted Obama going into this election as being wrong.
Don Cardi  Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Don Cardi]
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11/05/08 08:48 PM
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... As an American I only hope that he does the right thing for us and proves all of us who voted for McCain and doubted Obama going into this election as being wrong... I guess we'll find out soon enough, when he is 'tested' as per Joe Biden's prediction. I'm with you, Don Cardi...let's hope we're BOTH wrong. Especially with regard to his 'spread the wealth' type of policies. Apple
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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11/05/08 08:53 PM
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... once we begin to see hope that change is coming, I'm good... That's great. Because the only 'change' coming is the change that's left in your wallet once he starts raising taxes on those making $250,000...or $200,000....wait, $150,000...oh, right $100,000...NO $50,000 per year!!! Not only change you can believe in...change you can count in the palm of your hand. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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11/05/08 09:00 PM
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ronnierocketAGO
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... once we begin to see hope that change is coming, I'm good... That's great. Because the only 'change' coming is the change that's left in your wallet once he starts raising taxes on those making $250,000...or $200,000....wait, $150,000...oh, right $100,000...NO $50,000 per year!!! Not only change you can believe in...change you can count in the palm of your hand. Apple Are you Apple or Joe the Plumber?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/05/08 09:21 PM
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The Iceman
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Iceman, I believe that your attitude leads more to these supposed "attacks" than your views. If you don't discuss ideas, if you don't exchange thoughts, then how would anyone ever learn anything new or different?
As for Senator Obama's "associations", the insinuations are insulting and demeaning. I notice that the only "stories" that are publicized are those that have him with "terrorists" or "shady" non-profit organizations that work with minorities. To me, that plays on the internal racist in all of us. He looks different. He has a "funny name". Therefore, he must be a suspicious character.
If you disagree with his stance on energy, on abortion, on the economy, with his healthcare plan, then fine. Tell us WHAT you object to and, more importantly, WHY you object to it and why you think that Senator McCain has a better plan. But posting articles that call him a "Jew-hater" or accuse him of associating with terrorists just smacks of the lowest and most baseless biases. Whoa lets put this 18 wheeler in reverse. When have I ever posted an article calling Obama a jew hater? and when have I ever said he associates with terrorists?
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Mignon]
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11/05/08 09:21 PM
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Do you think he may reach across the isle and pick Chuck Hagle?? He should pick Powell for the Sec. of Defence. This was my thought too. Unfortunately Powell isn't interested.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it"
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Lilo]
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11/05/08 09:25 PM
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[quote=Karl9905The news media has done nothing but show as many times as they can blacks celebrating, like they just got there freedom or something. There is an old saying, if you don't want to be singled out, then don't single yourself out.
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First, I saw Black and White, Young and Old celebrating.
Secondly, most Blacks are particularly overjoyed not because of freedom, but because of something more important and fundamental in a democracy. They attained a measure of equality that they (and much of White America) thought did not exist two years ago. The point of their celebration of Obama's victory is not that they singularly control the Executive Branch, but that they are no longer barred from achieving this dream.
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: dontomasso]
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11/05/08 09:40 PM
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It cannot be a California State Judge because a state court judge cannot overrule a state constitutional amendment. That's why they made it an amendment. Also because of the abstention doctrine a Federal Judge would not overturn a state constitutional amendment. The only two ways this can and will be overturned would either be an Act of Congress stating that no state can interfere with the rights of people
regardless of sexual orientation to marry (this would be much like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which obliterated state constituional Jim Crow provisions, or an amendment to the United States Constitution overturning the state constitutional amendments.
There were some VERY shady practices employed to get this vote through. Some of the ads were financed by Erik Prince's own mother. (He's the owner of Blackwater). Deceptive ads (some banners I saw here on GBB) with Obama's picture appearing although he did not endorse Prop 8. And a huge amount of financing paid for by members of the Mormon Church (of all people, were lecturing others about what is a normal marriage, and what isn't). It's weird that so many people claim to want smaller government, but they're okay with this sort of thing. Apparently, the government can dictate people's personal lives, as long as you're okay with that dictation. This election has proven both how far we've come regarding civil rights in this country, and how far we still have to go.
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it"
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008
[Re: Saladbar]
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11/05/08 10:28 PM
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The Italian Stallionette
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Are you Apple or Joe the Plumber?
I don't know who you are ronnierocketAGO, but only Turi can crack me up more than you do.  Plumber, crack up!! Get it??? Ok, silly, but I have no polls to look at. TIS
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