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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Short answer: sloppy writing. When Tom goes to see Johnny and tells him about producing his own movies, he first tells him that he has no chance of winning the Academy Award. But a few paragraphs later he tells him that he almost certainly will win. I don't have the book in front of me, but I remember that Tom told Johnny, "Your Godfather is much more powerful than you think." I guess he was trying to make the point that Vito could influence the Academy through his union connections. Why does Puzo never tell us Tessio's first name? He gives us Pete's. He gives us Sollozzo's, Barzini's, et al. Why not Tessio's? Sloppy writing for sure. But perhaps he was subliminally telling us that Tess was a minor character compared with Clem, and a traitor-in-the-making? Why would Clemenza ask Sonny if he wanted him to send some of his people over to his house after his father was shot when Sonny had his own regime? Clemenza had to know that he was under suspicioun at that point because Vito's shooting happened on his watch, so to speak. He had to make that offer--if he hadn't, it would have amplified suspicion.
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Why would Clemenza ask Sonny if he wanted him to send some of his people over to his house after his father was shot when Sonny had his own regime? It's been a while since I read the book (shame on me, I know - don't have me whacked), but I thought Sonny was basically considered Underboss - would that necessarily mean he would have his own crew, as the capos did?
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Why would Clemenza ask Sonny if he wanted him to send some of his people over to his house after his father was shot when Sonny had his own regime? It's been a while since I read the book (shame on me, I know - don't have me whacked), but I thought Sonny was basically considered Underboss - would that necessarily mean he would have his own crew, as the capos did? Well, after the dons meeting, Vito tells Tom to take the men of Sonny's regime and distribute them among Tessio's and Clemenza's regimes.
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Sloppy writing again, but to give Puzo his due: Maybe Enzo had ust gotten off work, dressed formally for the visit, and, being a foreigner, didn't know that US hospitals had visiting hours. Did Enzo tell Sonny that he stuck around? Or did Sonny hear it, perhaps from Detective Phillips, who was with Mac at the scene and was on Sonny's payroll? Or did Michael tell Tom after he woke up from having his jaw wired?
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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In reading the novel again, I noticed some things.
Despite having been in the Army or at Dartmouth since just after Pearl Harbor, Mike knows that the "house seemed to be full of men he didn't know" which may be true enough, but what are we (and he) to expect? He's been gone almost 4 years. However, Puzo also had Michael acknowledge that those men guarding Vito's house "were not of Clemenza's people." How'd he figure that?
Michael elects to stay in his father's office with Sonny, Tessio, Tom, and Clemenza when Sonny tells him "You hang around me Mike, your gonna hear things you don't wanta hear." However, in chapter 9, Puzo has Mike complaining that he's being enmeshed in family business "against his will" and he resented Sonny using him to answer the phone.
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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If I remember correctly, Sonny or Tom said that local blacks were taking over the numbers business during the war and weren't paying off the winners. Sonny said, "Give their names to Clemenza--he'll handle it," or some such. Things began to loosen up after a while because, as Puzo wrote, cops and politicians still had mortgages to pay off and kids to put through college.
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Michale wakes up with Kay about 10PM and then sets out for the hospital. He discovers Vito alone, then with the nurse moves Vito to another room. He then takes up a position in front of the hospital when along comes Enzo to visit Vito. It had to be upwards of 11PM by then. Why would Enzo think that was a proper time to visit Vito?  I always found this scene, both in the novel and the film, extremely odd! What would have possessed Enzo to visit the Don so late into the night!
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Michale wakes up with Kay about 10PM and then sets out for the hospital. He discovers Vito alone, then with the nurse moves Vito to another room. He then takes up a position in front of the hospital when along comes Enzo to visit Vito. It had to be upwards of 11PM by then. Why would Enzo think that was a proper time to visit Vito?  I always found this scene, both in the novel and the film, extremely odd! What would have possessed Enzo to visit the Don so late into the night! Not to mention, Enzo goes to the precise room that Michael Hides Vito in!
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Short answer: sloppy writing. Why does Puzo never tell us Tessio's first name? He gives us Pete's. He gives us Sollozzo's, Barzini's, et al. Why not Tessio's? Sloppy writing for sure. But perhaps he was subliminally telling us that Tess was a minor character compared with Clem, and a traitor-in-the-making. Ummmmm.....Doesnt anyone remember?...... Salvatore Tessio was his name !?!??? "sorry, 'Salley'" Tom Hagen, when taking Sal to the carwhere he will go and meet his "death"....... Or am I just dreaming???
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Short answer: sloppy writing. Why does Puzo never tell us Tessio's first name? He gives us Pete's. He gives us Sollozzo's, Barzini's, et al. Why not Tessio's? Sloppy writing for sure. But perhaps he was subliminally telling us that Tess was a minor character compared with Clem, and a traitor-in-the-making. Ummmmm.....Doesnt anyone remember?...... Salvatore Tessio was his name !?!??? "sorry, 'Salley'" Tom Hagen, when taking Sal to the carwhere he will go and meet his "death"....... Or am I just dreaming???
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Re: Reprise, perhaps.
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Short answer: sloppy writing. Why does Puzo never tell us Tessio's first name? He gives us Pete's. He gives us Sollozzo's, Barzini's, et al. Why not Tessio's? Sloppy writing for sure. But perhaps he was subliminally telling us that Tess was a minor character compared with Clem, and a traitor-in-the-making. Ummmmm.....Doesnt anyone remember?...... Salvatore Tessio was his name !?!??? "sorry, 'Salley'" Tom Hagen, when taking Sal to the carwhere he will go and meet his "death"....... Or am I just dreaming???
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