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John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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As a customary practice of La Cosa Nostra, an associate only gets made when he kills someone. On the rare occasions, some are made when they earn good.
John Pappa. a Colombo family associate killed Joseph Scopo during the third Colombo family war, but was never awarded his status. Do other posters here feel that he shouldn't have been made? He tried to endear himself to the family hierarchs by even killing one of his friends who wa bragging about the Scopo murder. Its probably that the Colombo hierarchs saw Pappa as a liability, killing people just for the hell of it. One victim was an innocent American citizen who was killed in a dare.
In the end, Pappa can be cast in the same light as the Gambino killer, Roy DeMeo, but can most definately be cast as another Colombo wannabe like Johnny Capone, as one who tries to get into the family, does what is said and gets nowhere, so they do more and more, putting their backs into it before finally getting life or a lengthy sentence behind bars. Some people try to prove themselves a little too much.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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As a customary practice of La Cosa Nostra, an associate only gets made when he kills someone. On the rare occasions, some are made when they earn good.
John Pappa. a Colombo family associate killed Joseph Scopo during the third Colombo family war, but was never awarded his status. Do other posters here feel that he shouldn't have been made? He tried to endear himself to the family hierarchs by even killing one of his friends who wa bragging about the Scopo murder. Its probably that the Colombo hierarchs saw Pappa as a liability, killing people just for the hell of it. One victim was an innocent American citizen who was killed in a dare.
In the end, Pappa can be cast in the same light as the Gambino killer, Roy DeMeo, but can most definately be cast as another Colombo wannabe like Johnny Capone, as one who tries to get into the family, does what is said and gets nowhere, so they do more and more, putting their backs into it before finally getting life or a lengthy sentence behind bars. Some people try to prove themselves a little too much. DeMeo ultimately got his button because he was a good earner. Castellano stalled on making Roy for years but he ultimately couldn't deny him when he kept getting huge envelopes of cash every week from the DeMeo crew's operations. The Mob is always on the look out for guys who can do "heavy work," i.e. killers, but that's not all there is to it. Guys who can pull a trigger are a dime a dozen and it often takes more than that to get made.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Who was killed on a dare?
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Just killing people on command/ at will won't get you made. It's all about the money, sure they'd like to see if you can beat guys up/ kill needed people, but in the end the main requirment is how much money you can earn. Thats it, everything else is, extra but not nearly as important.
And what is it with all these "should of been made??" topics anyways? I think the less criminals we have in higher and higher positions the better.
I will be asking the questions! Because I don't know them!
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Its called Making your bones. The bosses want you to kill so they can get what they want. Pappa did help end the 3rd Colombo War.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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The guy is Selwyn Raab - Mafia expert and massive book seller. He is actually one of the great investigative journalists of our time. He is tenacious where justice is concerned. He's been very instrumental in exposing coerced confessions at the hands of the police. He was a fervent supporter or Rubin "Hurricane" Carter's, and the main reason that his shady conviction became such big news. He was also the creator of the tv show KOJAK. A brilliant guy.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Don't believe everything you read.... Absolutely. Some of it could be plagarized.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Exactly SC, and some of it especially when there aren't any details could be out right lies.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Okay well if he's one of the great investigative journalists of our time he should be able to name the strangers name. I have no idea what you two are debating. I was just referring to Mr. Raab's credentials. But for the record, his FIVE FAMILIES is the most thoroughly researched and historically accurate book about the New York mob ever written. Bar none. Welcome to the boards, Floridagirl.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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The stranger was a girl from Florida.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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It is not true that one must be of pure Italian decent to become made. Only the father must be of Italian decent so we need another "SIMPLE" answer Sickergthanuravg.
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Lompac, took you two months to come up with that answer. I thought you said it wasn't public info; so were you wrong is it public info or did you pull that name out of your ass?
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Its called research, you should try it. Is that anything like plagarism?
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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Its called research, you should try it. Is that anything like plagarism? Absolutely, totally off the radar, my good friend. Its so far into Outer Space that you can't see it!! *Wheres my bottle* I'll drink myself into a stupor again!
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Re: John Pappa: Should he have been made?
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I do real research you idiot. You make up names to sound like you know what's going on in life. Maybe you should go play with "two balls" I'm sure you're used to doing that....
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