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Michael and Connie
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07/08/09 09:39 AM
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I have posted elsewhere my opinion that Connie is one of the great characters of the trilogy because she transforms from a rather innocent "spoiled guinea brat" to a slutty embarassment to the family, to Michael's caretaker, and finally as kingmaker to Michael's succesor, who in the process of promoting Vincent, makes her bones by killing Altobello. The relationship between Connie and Michael is unlike any other relationship Michael has with anyone else. Perhaps because she is his older sister she is better able to identify and resist Michael's manipulations, and because of his guilt over killing her husband and later on their brother he doesn't try too hard to manipulate her. In fact no one gets away with more vis-a-vis Michael than Connie. She embarasses him with Merle and her other escapades, while he is bailing out her son from apetty theft. When she re-gains her senses she returns to Michael, tells him he needs her, and right away she is back in the family acting as Michael's caretaker, and eventually confidante. The first thing she does once she is ensconced in the Tahoe home is sneak Kay in to see the kids, completely against Michael's orders. When Michael catches Kay in the house his wrath is directed to Kay, not Connie, and we do not see where Connie pays the price. Eventually, as we know, Michael sends the kids who he swore Kay would never "take" back East to her ostensibly for their educational benefits. Connie had to have had a role in this decision. Then in III after she "gives the order" to hit Zasa, Michael rebukes her, but does nothing to diminish her influence. Instead, her influence over him increases, and she becomes a power center in the family. Contemplating Michael's possible assassination she asks Vincent in the pool room scene if he has arranged everything if the worst happens, and she tells him he is the heir apparent because he is the only one who has Vito's strength. In fact it utrns out IMHO she also had Vito's strength and Michael recognized that in her, and used it for the good of the family despite the fact that she never really marched in lock step with him. It is a relationship unlike any other Michael has.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Michael and Connie
[Re: dontomasso]
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07/08/09 09:44 AM
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Perhaps because she is his older sister she is better able to identify and resist Michael's manipulations . . .
Great idea for a thread, DT. But since when is Connie older than Michael?
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Re: Michael and Connie
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Perhaps because she is his older sister she is better able to identify and resist Michael's manipulations . . .
Great idea for a thread, DT. But since when is Connie older than Michael? Thought she was.... if not, then insert "she was his little sister" and go on from there.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Michael and Connie
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07/08/09 01:59 PM
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BTW: I doubt that Connie sneaked Kay in to see the kids. At that point in her resurrection in the family, she wouldn't risk offending Michael. It looked to me as if Kay had legal visitation rights, that Michael chose to be absent during her visitation time, and Connie was hustling Kay out because the time had elapsed and she'd come face to face with Michael. I dunno TB when they got word Michael was coming she was begging Kay to leave as Kay was trying to get a hug from Anthony.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Michael and Connie
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07/10/09 01:57 PM
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...I doubt that Connie sneaked Kay in to see the kids. At that point in her resurrection in the family, she wouldn't risk offending Michael. It looked to me as if Kay had legal visitation rights, that Michael chose to be absent during her visitation time, and Connie was hustling Kay out because the time had elapsed and she'd come face to face with Michael. Agreed. While Michael at the time wanted nothing more to do with Kay there was NEVER the indication of him breaking her off from the children. If that were the case, he had ample power to make sure nobody, even Connie, could get her even close to the house. It was a scheduled visit, her time was up, and Michael was arriving home. Apple
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Re: Michael and Connie
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07/12/09 10:52 AM
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...Is Michael's attitude towards Connie influenced by the fact of what happened with Carlo and Michael knows that Connie knows who ordered it. No. ... Michael cannot risk offending Connie as much as vice versa and that is why she got away with so much. Michael had already 'offended' Connie by having her husband murdered. It was Connie who came crawling back to Michael after their mother's death. Connie got away with 'so much' because unlike other siblings, she remained loyal to the Family and never betrayed her brother. Good discussion.
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Re: Michael and Connie
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07/13/09 09:27 PM
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Nice parallel: Connie asked Michael for a favor at the end of GF by standing godfather to her son. He complied--and whacked her husband. Then, after she finally got over it, she fell on her knees in II and begged Michael to forgive Fredo. He complied (sort of)--and whacked Fredo. The novel implies a an interesting Michael-type "moral" rationale and connection to the two events (even though II wasn't included in the novel): Michael wasn't being cruel to Connie because it was her idea for him to stand godfather to her son--not his. Presumably the same applied to her plea to "forgive" Fredo
Connie's reaction to Fredo's murder might have made an interesting addition to the end of II, especially since III wasn't envisioned at that time. But her conversion in III to Michael's loyal retainer, and her transformation to assertive family member, was credible. So was Michael's acceptance of her. I think Connie must have realized that Fredo really was a traitor and a danger to Michael--and in any event, Michael was her meal ticket for the rest of her life at that point. Michael probably sensed that Connie was accepting his rationale for killing Fredo, which probably helped him deal with his own conscience.
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Re: Michael and Connie
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I think Connie must have realized that Fredo really was a traitor and a danger to Michael--and in any event, Michael was her meal ticket for the rest of her life at that point. Michael probably sensed that Connie was accepting his rationale for killing Fredo, which probably helped him deal with his own conscience. Two points... 1. By III Connie saw that Michael was slowing down, and she showed her strength (if not good judgment) by ordering the killing of Joey Zasa. 2. We get a glimplse into Connie's total loyalty to Michael when she expresses surprise that he went to confession. She is really shocked that Michael would tell his secrets to a "stranger." When Michael tells her Lamberto was a "real priest" the next thing out of Connie's mouth was something about "poor Fredo" drowning. In other words in one sentence she tows the "party line" about the cause of Fredo's death and acknowledges that Michael's guilt can be assuaged by his having confessed his sins.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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