What is that supposed to mean?

It means respect the SC for the moderator that he is!

Punk.

All of the people on hear?

I think you meant here, Professor.

Pizzaboy I think you are the one who needs to learn a thing or two about respect.

IMB, stop with the bullshit already. This is not a role playing site! Perhaps you'd be happier if you found one somewhere else.

Who said anything about role playing? I'm not the one who told someone to f**k off on the other topic.

Enjoy your week-long vacation, IMB. If this shit starts up again, it'll be permanent.

All I can say is Wow!!!! And he lasted a whole day?




TIS

You come across as if im stupid. I forgive, we have passion for the same thing. I have watched the same thing...though I also note the not so obvious, apparently!! Terence winter wrote that episode therefore he decided the outcome. David Chase not furthuring that plot just means david wrote a show called "The Sopranos" and not "What happened to the guy in the woods". He had no story arc for that particular character. So if we are not going to see him again, what better way than leave us wondering!! These things you speak are to add tension and make an experience for the audience through supporting characters who have no definitive story. Do you not think Tonys character is a little more important than the two you brought up?

I know what you mean. It's just like the time he told jonny sack about the joke made about his wifes weight. The trouble that could have caused Tony. He wanted to go to war over that alone. You see Tony and Jonnys relationship going downhill from there. And the kid that Tony said to his mother, whilst in hospital, would not come to no harm. Paulie goes down to the harbour and beats him up.... directly disobeying Tony!!! And when his asked about the joke by Tony on the boat, he lies.... In one scene he says " I go out of my way for that prick Jonny to make him think i like him". How many people do you think hes gonna go out of his way for? His mothers a religious whore. His lived his life being something hes not. So much for loyalty....

Again he beats up that bloke by the harbour whilst with his cannoo. Then tells him hell be dead if any of it gets back to Tony. Point is he doesn't always listen does he????? He's mob who has always been looked over. In the last episode he's offered the job by Tony that Ralph and Vito had before him... I guess he sometimes must have wondered why the wait seeing as hes closer to Tony over Ralph and Vito. Hang on..did Tony ever like Ralph? And he still got stepped up before Paulie. How would that make a person feel...be realistic. If id known you all my life, but you invited someone at work to your wedding over my place...how would i feel???? Add the human touches where the screen hasn't the time to dwell. If it were me id be gutted, jealous, angry!!!!

Just baffles me is all. If anyone listened to Tony and could do no more its Christopher. Even sacrificing Adrianna.(Who i belived wholeheartedly he loved) He dotes on Tony like no other character except his wife and children. Look at what happened to him. Don't focus too hard on loyalty. It's only as good as the money it makes....well in this programme anyway. I take it Paulies one of your favs...who could blame you. The acting in this tv programme has been amazing.

Thankyou for your post. I thought i was a real nutter thinking about these characters so much. Its refreshing to see others put so much thought into their answers too. I guess like in real life a person can make you laugh so much and you can really warm to someone, you don't see anything bad in them. I love Paulie too, and the sopranos wouldn't have been the same without his character. But thanks once again for realising, as I have, that he didn't work in burger king. What there doing, often evil. It's just a shame too often people forget what the route of that is.

So what your saying is Paulie lied for his own best interest,which is the very definition of loyalty. But often when mixed with reality being loyal means knowing when to put others first. The very fact that lying nearly gets Paulie killed on that boat makes me wonder. O.k. your bright. Tony does pull out because like you, he understands why his being lied to. Credit where credits due. Dis-loyalty has existed since humans had holes in their arse. You say these things like loyalty is chartered and recorded....bizarre. Don't you think the 1970's, hippies, drugs and the mob play any sort of role. The godfather (Marlon Brando) sees the darkness of the future. Greed, yes certainly, had alot to do with it. But was not a deciding factor to being a rat. Way back these gansters saw a couple of years in the can for extortion and what not. But once they started to push hard drugs, and see the capitol gain from it...there greed started to make them sloppy. If they were caught they were looking at the equivalent of life for say selling h. They ratted out on each other so they didnt have to do the time.

I do actually think he's loved the programme that much that he believes hes one of them and knows the ins and outs of mafia life. Like there going to give him the low down so he can broadcast it across the web. He talks as if he knows anything about loyalty. But once they find out the bullshit this italian mafia boss speaks they'l have him wacked for sure. Was he a made guy back in the 70's or something

Though this has all come about by a dickcheese posting gibberish, it's interesting to note that the one character in the series who seems to have a central dilemma regarding loyalty is Christopher, who mirrors himself on and measures himself by "Old School" notions of loyalty and nobleness. He sacrifices Adriana and "would go to Hell" for Tony, but in the end, he's fucked.

Chris might be the most tragic character on the show. All around him are the real Old School people, the kind of men to whom he aspires: Richie Aprile, Feech LaManna, Phil Leotardo, even Paulie... and as we know, they're all rats; not informers, necessarily, but they'll do anything for an extra buck. Their social order encourages it. Moltisanti's chasing a lie.

One of the central premises of the show, the starting point from which many other themes stem, is the decline of traditional values, be it in the form of the Mafia or American life as a whole. Tony laments that he came in and that "the best is already over". He's inherited a fucked up society, life, world. And he's got all the money in it, figuratively speaking: the decline in value of life, because money has become a meaningless abstraction; the money Tony has is a result of a multi-generational life in crime. But that very life is socially destructive... how essentially different is it to capitalist society in general?

Great points, Capo. I've always said that at the end of the day, there is no difference between a crooked lawyer, shady banker, untrustworthy politician and a mafioso scumbag. They will ALL do whatever they can to get the fast buck - no matter how low they have to go or who they have to cross to achieve it. Oh, I apologize, the big difference is that the lawyer, banker and poltician pillage us everyday people "legally". How about wiretapping, tailing and charging the "legal mafiosi" under the federal RICO act?!?
(*DISCLAIMER - I admit that not every banker, lawyer and politician are dishonest and do not make that blanket claim*)

Omar Little to Maury Levy, in The Wire: "I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase. S'all in the game though right?"

Sorry im not basic enough for you. Its called an education

Um, no.

Christophers not chasing a lie though is he, he's fully aware and its being expected of him from the start. He's being dragged into it by Tony. Whereas Tony doesn't want his own son anything to do with it. From season 1 Christopher mentions the d girl. (the one he meets in season 2) He wanted to write scripts from the start. If anyone had no problems regarding loyalty to Tony it was Christopher. He hung on his every word, even following after Tony when Juniour sets up the hit. And how jealous he gets when steve buscemi shows up. He loves Tony to bits. Its just hes own personal desires he lets go of. Makes him angry.
I guess it takes a dickcheese to know one.lol. If you could please tell me how you get the highlighted yellow box to appear, so that people know what post im replying to, it would help alot. I appologise as it does seem like gibberish.Its just that all my answers have appeared together, but are related to different topics.

So you're Italian Mafia Boss too?

Wow, I feel bad that you have nothing better to do with yourself.

Other than wanking over the thought of your dickcheese on my tongue, you mean?

Whip it out, cowboy.

I'd rather not.

These people who get on a computer to call you names. How can I taste the cheese from your dick when you obviously have a pussy. Cowards do that don't they? I say what I say to peoples face. Thats the difference.

Guys, let's save the anatomy lessons for the sandbox.

I appologise SC. It's just people don't have to be rude. It's only a debate about personal opinions. And we are all intitled each to his own.