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Fredo's "Good Heart?"
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09/16/09 02:43 PM
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dontomasso
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In The Godfather and in II, it is often repeated that Fredo has a "good heart," and in the past I and many members here seem to have taken that for granted. What I am wondering is what evidence is there that he had a good heart? When we first see him he is three sheets to the wind at his own sister's wedding, and he obnoxiously tries to plant one on Kay. He then botches his bodyguard duty by dropping the gun while his father is shot, and is then apparently too shaken up to be of any worth to the family in New York, so he gets shipped to Vegas where he embarasses himself and the family by banging cocktail waitresses two at a time. Then when Mike comes out to tell Moe Green he's finished, Fredo sides with Green against the family. By II he has married a slutty lush, and of course betrays Michael. So I ask where is this "good heart" everyone talks about? To me he was an incompetent boor who didn't even have the spine to keep his wife in line when she was making a fool of herself on the dance floor.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Fredo's "Good Heart?"
[Re: Turnbull]
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09/16/09 03:34 PM
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I think it was a metaphor that people often use in pitying people who have no real competence: he or she has "a good heart." I think that sums it up best. "He's got a good heart," or "He's a poor soul," are both expressions you'll hear in an Italian household when describing a 30 year old man living at home. It's out of pity, not real affection.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Fredo's "Good Heart?"
[Re: pizzaboy]
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09/16/09 04:01 PM
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Good points by everyone, but I recall some theory floating around that held that the three sons each had taken different qualities from their father, and what Fredo took was the "good heart." But one does say things about people who are otherwise useles things like "he means well," even if he does not, I guess. But in II Michael said Fredo has a "good heart" but that he was "weak and stupid" so its not like he had nothing unkind to say. And of course there's Vito's wonderful non comment when he tells Mike he knew Santino would have to go through all this, and Fredo, well Fredo was uh....." Truth is, Fredo was an embarassment to the family from the get go.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Fredo's "Good Heart?"
[Re: olivant]
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09/16/09 06:53 PM
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Fredo was a simpleton, a weak link and the Family knew it, but considered harmless until it was discovered that he had plotted w/ Roth against Michael. Even that indefensible act (for which he deserved to die) stemmed from jealousy & stupidity and not an outright desire for Michael to be harmed. (Which means he did NOT open the drapes.)
Incidentally, if I recall correctly it was only his siblings, Michael & Connie who referred to him as 'sweet' and having a 'good heart'. And withing the family itself (business aside), I think Fredo was the 'sweet', not too bright but well meaning member. I always find it amusing when in the final GFII flashback he actually offers his hand in congratulation to Michael for enlisting in the Marines...completely oblivious of the effect it has just had (and will have) on the rest of the family.
That handshake IS Fredo. Had he not been born into the Mob Family atmosphere, he probably would've ended up the nice Italian guy making pizza's up the corner.
Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Fredo's "Good Heart?"
[Re: Desertwolf]
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09/17/09 09:24 AM
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Pizza as we know it has nothing to do with Italy... pure American product.
Too much Pizza Hut my friend. The pizza in Italy is made in wood burning ovens and it is far superior to Pizza Hut. It is a myth that Pizza was invented in the U.S. It was "invented" in Naples during the Roman Empire. American GI's tasted it in WWII and it was reinvented here with the inedible thick crusts and toppings like bacon and pineapple.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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