The other exception is immigrants who came through Ellis island and had their names butchered to sound more American , or make it easier to pronounce . But I would bet money that the majority of the names without a vowel at the end in soutern and the middle of italy originate from the North , or have Spanish , Norse, German , or Greek origin .

A Capeci/Mustain error . Freddy DiNome gave the name DiName when he was arrested . Capeci and Mustain attributed this to his illiteracy/dyslexia , while Freddy was dyslexic this spelling had nothing to do with it. Fact is when my grandfather , his brother , and a cousin came over from Italy like most immigrants they came through Ellis island . The clerk handling them made a suggestion that they switch the family name from DiNome to DiName , the only one who did so was the cousin because he felt it sounded more American . Years later my grandfather got a job in the court system , like most Italians from our section of Brooklyn he had some mob ties , and he thought up the idea that our family could have 2 rap sheets , one under the name DiName , and one under DiNome . For many years this worked get arrested or questioned give the name DiName , go for a good job give the name DiNome . They all had 2 birth certificates , 2 driver licenses , pretty much everything you needed to live a double identity . This actually worked for a while until Richie or his brother Paulie (don't remember which one) was arrested and caught with 2 licenses one saying DiNome and one saying DiName , after that the Feds did a little research , started looking into our family and figured out exactly what was going on and why Freddy DiNome never had any arrests , they looked at Freddy DiName and saw mug shots and fingerprints and realized they were one in the same . So by the time Freddy got pinched for his OC activities the cat was out of the bag and they were arresting him under DiNome and combining his arrest records with his arrests under DiName as well . It happened to a few other members of the family as well . There's your useless fact for the day lol

i think several italian surnames in the states are wrong, looks like santora that is sure santoro or massino that could be messina and several others

These two posts are NOT the exact same, just as I said, you changed your tune.

Try reading the whole post instead of just what you want to read

"It's common in Northern Italy , you won't find many if any in Southern Italy . Sorry but you won't convince me other wise , my fathers family comes from Naples , and my mothers from Sicily and I've frequented both places my entire life and the few Italians I've met without vowels come from Northern Italy ."


May not be the same exact wording but they say the same thing . In other words the point I was trying to make . So I'm still singing the same tune . Sorry

The processors at Ellis Island did a major job of butchering last names of immigrants from all over the world . My grandfather told me about a friend of his whose last name was Belladonna and they change it to Bell . There's also a bunch of Rossetti and Rossi's that changed their names to Ross . It's crazy how people can just cut away generations of family history just to try and fit in.

@DiNome1978

do you think that john jackie deross and thomas peewee dephillips, surname could have been butchered at ellis island.

If they weren't from Northern Italy I wouldn't be surprised , I have friends with the last name DeRosa and in my family there are Defillippo's those could be the original names or like I said they could be from Northern Italy originally . Now to be clear when I am saying the people with no vowels at the end are all from Northern Italy I mean the family's origin . I haven't been to Ellis Island in a long time but I believe you can look up ancestors last names and it if it was changed you should be able to see what it started out as .

dephilips stands surely for de filippo
i dont know deross it could be de rosa de rossi or whatever

Actually this guy Dinome sounds like hes telling the truth and really grew up with these guys in Bensonhurst (i think that's where the Gemini was) and is right on. for ivyl...


i disagree with him regarding DEMEO being nice however.

The Gemini was in Flatlands

Like I said I can only speak from my experience with him. I'm sure people who owed him money or were in some sort of business with him saw a much different side of him .

Correct ! Corner of Flatlands ave & Troy ave right off of Flatbush ave . Neighborhood has gone to shit and ironically enough the Gemini Lounge is a church now of all things . Lol

Hi Dinome1978.

Whats your take on Dracula?
Albert Demeo says he dropped him off at the airport and never heard from him again.
Either Dracula came back to NYC and ran into Joey and Anthony or he lived out his life in obscurity somewhere!

That place needs a lot of religion to rid it of the massacre factory it was!

Yeah Joey Guglielmo has always been a mystery to me. Albert did say that he dropped him off in 1983 and never saw him again. Now Dracula was pretty crazy i mean he robbed a bank dressed in drag, collected sex toys, and drank blood from the demeo crew victims. So I cant see him laying low for too long. I'd say taht he probably got killed eventually but i have no idea who did it

Albert told another story about Dracula.
He says that one time, Dracula got into a bar room fight with some guy and stabbed him.
With his record that would mean serious jail time.
Roy vowed to sort the problem but told Dracula to leave town and keep a low profile whilst he did so.
Albert and Roy took him to la guardia airport and whilst he was checking in the x-ray scanner picked up something in his bag and so the airport security emptied it out and found it full of sex toys.
Albert says his dad started to boil over in rage/embarrasment and walked out the airport cursing!
LOL

Thats a funny story about Dracula, ya i remember reading that in Albert Demeo's autobiography. So did Dracula actually drink the victims blood? Or are those just rumors? because I don't actually remember that from Murder Machine, but I could be wrong. And how did Dracula actually die and when? Do they not know?

Ya I agree. To be honest, i read Albert DeMeo's book before reading Murder Machine, and so going into Murder Machine I was sort of sympathetic to Roy, because honestly nobody can deny that he was a good father. However, all of the murders he committed outweigh any good. Maybe I should have read the books in the other order... haha

I wonder that anthony would do if he got out of jail he probobly dont have anyone he knows still in the lucheese family?

Senter was with the Gambinos.

He and Testa started out under Roy and the Gambino's but were never made. They ended up getting their buttons with the Lucchese's once Roy was killed.

I knew of Roys crews connections to the Luccheses but i'd never heard about Senter being made by them. Can you elaborate please?

Not much else to elaborate on other than what he said. Testa and Senter were proven killers and found a home with the Luccheses. Testa was part of the hit team in 1987 that accidentally killed Nicholas Guido, an innocent guy who was mistaken for their target.

Do you know if Senter was made by the Luccheses? I knew the rest but thanks anyway.

There was a story floating around that the Gambino's couldn't get to Roy directly so they went to Casso since he knew Roy's crew. Casso told them that if they carried out the hit, he would take them in and make them. The catch to the story was that if they didn't they would be killed anyway so they really had no choice. Add to that the fact that Roy was their only connection so once he was gone they would be on an island.

Ive never heard proof that they were both made or that the story above is 100% accurate but both points are widely accepted and I've never seen them disputed either so I assume they are true.

My understanding is both he and Testa were made.

I thought there was talk of Casso wanting to have them with him, but not of them being made. Both were also drug users, which I think would disqualify them from being made.

Made guys using drug isn't unheard of. Anyway, it's well known Testa was made. As for Senter, Capeci identified him as a Lucchese soldier in one of his articles back in 2010. However, I do recall reading something about him not being made in Casso's book. But I don't know how seriously to take that considering the author.

Do you think it is possible Capeci may have said Senter was made to give more impact to his book Murder Machine?