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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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05/05/06 12:42 PM
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Does anyone think that Mama couldhave been fleshed out a little more? I mean she just sort of dies one day and thats it. Criminally underused character in the trilogy I feel
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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05/05/06 08:17 PM
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Yeah thats true actually, younger mama seemed to have more of an impact in her part in the De Niro sequences then the older mama had in both part I and II
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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05/06/06 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by dontomasso: Mamma was anything but clueless. She was just "old school Sicialian." She knew better than to be nagging at Vito all the time (unlike a certain bitchy daughter in law from New Hampshire who came along later). When he was out of work and broke, he brings her all he can afford, and she says, "what a nice pear." When Connie shows up with Merle, she scolds her and tells her to "see her family" and then wait in line for Mike "like everyone else."
She knew what Vito did, and why he did it, and she accepted it. She was plenty "wise" and used that wisdom when it was appropriate. Mama Corleone - what a woman. Of course she knew. Vito made his own world, where he could take care of all those people around him be they family or friends. He created a better life than what they would have had if he'd been a law abiding citizen, a pawn in the game. She knew all of this, and she believed in it and trusted her husband. She was a very admirable woman. She knew her place (smarter than you may think), this was set at the start of the last century! Mama Corleone - I salute you.
"Jonny Tightlips... you're shot! - whered' they get you?" "I ain't sayin' nutin'." "But what'll I tell the Doc?!" "Tell'um to suck a lemon."
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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04/06/07 07:07 PM
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One thing I've also noticed is that the adult Fredo and his mother never have a scene together except when she is dead! The only hint we have to their relationship is when Fredo tells Michael that she'd told him he'd been left by gypsies. God knows, that must have further deepened his insecurity as the middle son. And does anyone think that the pneumonia he suffered as an infant contributed to his mental "slowness"? I mean, he was attended by some neighborhood woman who was using some old country methods on him. Who knows if it really was pneumonia? She was no dcotor!
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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04/09/07 09:17 AM
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One thing I've also noticed is that the adult Fredo and his mother never have a scene together except when she is dead! The only hint we have to their relationship is when Fredo tells Michael that she'd told him he'd been left by gypsies. God knows, that must have further deepened his insecurity as the middle son. And does anyone think that the pneumonia he suffered as an infant contributed to his mental "slowness"? I mean, he was attended by some neighborhood woman who was using some old country methods on him. Who knows if it really was pneumonia? She was no dcotor! I have always thought that the pneumonia was related to his later difficulties.
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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04/09/07 11:16 AM
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One thing I've also noticed is that the adult Fredo and his mother never have a scene together except when she is dead! The only hint we have to their relationship is when Fredo tells Michael that she'd told him he'd been left by gypsies. God knows, that must have further deepened his insecurity as the middle son. And does anyone think that the pneumonia he suffered as an infant contributed to his mental "slowness"? I mean, he was attended by some neighborhood woman who was using some old country methods on him. Who knows if it really was pneumonia? She was no dcotor! I have always thought that the pneumonia was related to his later difficulties. There is a great scene with Fredo and his mother at the dinner in Tahoe when Connie introduces Merle to Deanna, and Mamma Corleone looks at both of them with digust and makes a negative comment about them to Tom Hagen. She is also in a scene with Fredo as a boy when the family visits Sicily.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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04/10/07 04:21 PM
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I think the posts make many good points. There is however one angle that may have been overlooked. That is Mama C's physical appearance. The woman was morbidly obese and as far as we can tell she had no marketable skills. If she lost Mr.Don her prospects were bleak. Of course she may of had true affection for a serial killer but she may also have smart enough to know to keep her mouth shut and go for the ride. As a young woman she was good looking, she only chunked up after 40.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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07/04/07 11:03 PM
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Mama knew what was going on. I think she also influenced Vito more than we realize. My money says Mama is the one who came up with the "We don't discuss business at the table" rule.
I gotta go with the folks that said she knew her place and trusted her husband. I have absolutely nothing to base this on, but I think she told Vito her thoughts and/or concerns - she was just smart enough to do it privately.
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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07/04/07 11:07 PM
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I gotta go with the folks that said she knew her place and trusted her husband. I have absolutely nothing to base this on, but I think she told Vito her thoughts and/or concerns - she was just smart enough to do it privately. I agree. Welcome to the boards, Tish.
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Re: Mama Corleone: Was she Clueless or what?
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07/05/07 02:30 PM
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She was of another generation and of another culture. Of course she knew. She knew when Vito was broke and could only afford a pear that she should compliment him. She knkew their sudden rise to wealth and power was not exactly on the up and up. When Sonny tells her about Vito being shot in the deleted Saga scene, she very cooly announces she is going to go change her clothes in case she can go to see him. also in the Saga Sonny mentions that she has been through this (Vito being hit) before.
I agree that she laid down the nobusiness at the table rule, as well as the "don't interfere"rule. Yep she knew what her place was in the family and got used to all the things that happend around the family.
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