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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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07/18/14 07:23 PM
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pizzaboy
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Kly and PB, both of your posts are a fine expression of the nature of the American justice system. Some people invest in so much emotion that it obscures their reasonable appreciation for how that justice system works. Of course, much of the reason that they do that is because they never see themselves as being subject to the criminal justice system; they figure that it's only ever going to be applied to someone else. Thanks, Oli. This is a bit off topic. But while I have you on the subject, I'm watching "JAG" on dvd right now (seriously, as I'm typing this). I have the entire set because I thought it was a fun show, if a little bit far fetched, and it's never on in reruns anymore. My only problem is with the insubordination that most of the major characters often show. The same thing goes on in the "NCIS" shows (and don't forget, the original "NCIS" was a "JAG" spinoff). These character often seem to to do whatever the Hell they want, even after they're given direct orders to the contrary. You were in the military. How long would they last in real life? 
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: IvyLeague]
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07/19/14 01:21 PM
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cookcounty
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SACRAMENTO Calif. (Reuters) - California's system for imposing and carrying out the death penalty is so long and drawn-out that it amounts to cruel and unusual punishment and thus is unconstitutional, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday.I agree. It is too long and drawn out. But that's just an argument to shorten it considerably. Do away with 20 years of appeals which do nothing but make defense lawyers rich. you seem to always have something against penalizing the worst of the worst mothafuckas wouldn't commit heinous crimes as much if they had to die heinous they should still use the chair
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: cookcounty]
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07/19/14 01:39 PM
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SACRAMENTO Calif. (Reuters) - California's system for imposing and carrying out the death penalty is so long and drawn-out that it amounts to cruel and unusual punishment and thus is unconstitutional, a federal judge ruled on Wednesday.I agree. It is too long and drawn out. But that's just an argument to shorten it considerably. Do away with 20 years of appeals which do nothing but make defense lawyers rich. you seem to always have something against penalizing the worst of the worst mothafuckas wouldn't commit heinous crimes as much if they had to die heinous they should still use the chair I swear you get dumber by the day. I'm for the death penalty. I was saying the system should be quicker in putting criminals to death.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: IvyLeague]
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07/19/14 01:50 PM
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pizzaboy
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I swear you get dumber by the day. Not possible. There's a ceiling, and his case, a bottom, for everything.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: klydon1]
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07/19/14 01:52 PM
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ItalianForever
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The federal government is literally subsidizing criminal defense work in this country along with everything else. And here is the point to remember, the attorneys appointed are often private practice lawyers on a panel and not just public defenders.
Most of it is funded by the states and local government. And representation is mandated by state and federal constitutions. The state funds federal criminal defense? I don't think so. My point was more that this whole perception of the scummy rich lawyer is false. Most lawyers I know are struggling to get by.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: ItalianForever]
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07/19/14 02:14 PM
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The federal government is literally subsidizing criminal defense work in this country along with everything else. And here is the point to remember, the attorneys appointed are often private practice lawyers on a panel and not just public defenders.
Most of it is funded by the states and local government. And representation is mandated by state and federal constitutions. The state funds federal criminal defense? I don't think so. My point was more that this whole perception of the scummy rich lawyer is false. Most lawyers I know are struggling to get by. No. My point is that the overwhelming amount of criminal litigation is held in state/county courts, and therefore more of the public expenditure comes from state and local taxes. The federal defender receives federal money, but their caseloads are smaller. Also, there are very few federal capital cases, compared to state cases. Our local assistant public defenders start at $80,000, the same as assistant DAs, but you are correct that criminal defense attorneys don't generally pull in the money that big M & A, civil litigation, tax, corporate firms make. My advice to young defense counsel is to find a niche (DUI, juvenile, traffic) so that you become known as the go-to guy in the field. But for the most part defense counsel also expand into areas like unemployment, workers' comp, SSI, family, and immigration to broaden the practice. Another problem with criminal practice is that it's the area with the highest incidence of clients not paying their fee. And it's common for judges not to allow an attorney to withdraw from an important stage of the proceeding for lack of payment.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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07/19/14 02:44 PM
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ItalianForever
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http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/26054712/daytona-dad-beats-manAnybody see this? I am curious as to what people think. I think this 18 year old got the worst of the worst, because the dad beat the ever living fuck out of him AND he is going to the bing. Thugs in state prison don't like child molesters, and given this dude's size, I would say he is going to get the ever living shit beat out of him for the foreseeable future. Not too mention, he will probably become a sex slave as well. He would be better off committing suicide.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: ItalianForever]
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07/19/14 03:42 PM
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pizzaboy
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http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/26054712/daytona-dad-beats-manAnybody see this? I am curious as to what people think. I think this 18 year old got the worst of the worst, because the dad beat the ever living fuck out of him AND he is going to the bing. Thugs in state prison don't like child molesters, and given this dude's size, I would say he is going to get the ever living shit beat out of him for the foreseeable future. Not too mention, he will probably become a sex slave as well. He would be better off committing suicide. Sometimes the system works. Because this punk is gonna get turned inside out in a Central Florida prison. That poor little boy, though  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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07/22/14 08:21 AM
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pizzaboy
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A Court Ruling Just Blew A Huge Hole In Obamacare Amazing. It should have been knocked down for the simple reason that forcing it on people just wasn't right. But over tax subsidies? This is like getting Capone for tax evasion instead of murder  .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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08/10/14 01:43 PM
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Here's one for the archives of "Crime Does Not Pay" from today's NY Times "Social Q&A":
A Stolen Snack to Remember
My neighbor left me the keys to his apartment while he traveled for a month overseas. I let myself in to borrow some peanut butter, found a zip-locked bag of lemon cookies and helped myself. It turns out they were pot cookies. Later, I was taken by ambulance to the hospital emergency room. I thought I was having a severe reaction to cold medicine. Now I’m looking at $2,000 in medical bills. Should I tell my neighbor? He may offer to cover some of my expenses, but I’m embarrassed.
Rachel, Denver
You should be embarrassed! When neighbors entrust us with their keys, it’s as a safeguard against emergencies. So we can let in gas company employees if there’s a leak — not gobble up their food or rent out the place on Airbnb. You and your neighbor might have made different arrangements, but he still doesn’t owe a nickel of your medical bills. If you tell him this story, it should be with an apology that, like Goldilocks, you made yourself a tad too comfy in his home.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Crime & Justice
[Re: olivant]
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08/15/14 08:41 AM
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DT or Kly:
I suppose that wealthy people place their money in trusts. However, if they are determined liable for some tort (such as harming someone in a car accident), regardless of any insurance payment or out of court settlement, etc., does the trust protect their money from a judgement or similar court ruling? It depends how the trust is established and perhaps who the beneficiary is. If the trust is revocable, meaning that you retain ownership and can change the terms, purpose and amount of the trust, then the assets are not protected against those, who have a legal claim against you. If it is irrevocable, meaning that you give up all control (essentially ownership) of the trust, then creditors and judgments against you can't reach the assets for the most part. I advise that the best way for most people of insulating yourself and loved ones from creditors, judgments and taxes is through whole life insurance. The assets and payout are free from federal and local tax and any other claim. It also bypasses probate allowing money to pass completely to your loved ones without delay.
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