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Re: How Important Is a College Education?
[Re: Patrick]
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02/28/11 08:08 PM
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For sure, DC. How you been? I'm pretty damn good Patrick. Can't really complain. I can't believe that you have already finished college! Congratulations! See,I always knew that you had it in you!  My goodness. Where have the years gone?
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: How Important Is a College Education?
[Re: Don Cardi]
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02/28/11 08:12 PM
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Thanks DC. I have no idea man. Time flies. I am going to be turning 23 in June. It's wild. Once I get settled in at my new job, I am hoping to start graduate school for my Master's in Secondary Counseling here at West Chester. I tried out history right after I graduated, but I just wasn't really into it.
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: How Important Is a College Education?
[Re: Just Lou]
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03/06/11 01:30 AM
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J Geoff
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Back in 1984, my father got me a job making $50K+ a year right out of high school. Yeah, well, some of us weren't so lucky. Or maybe it was the field I had chosen, but it wasn't about the money. My first "career" job in counseling only paid $19.5k/year (about 1990) to start, but it was probably the best job I ever had (again, not monetarily). Of course after a career change some years later (unrelated to my college major) income more than tripled for a while. So I don't think it's necessary to have a college degree. At least not if you're smart enough to teach yourself. 
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: How Important Is a College Education?
[Re: J Geoff]
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03/06/11 02:29 AM
03/06/11 02:29 AM
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Back in 1984, my father got me a job making $50K+ a year right out of high school. Yeah, well, some of us weren't so lucky. Or maybe it was the field I had chosen, but it wasn't about the money. My first "career" job in counseling only paid $19.5k/year (about 1990) to start, but it was probably the best job I ever had (again, not monetarily). Of course after a career change some years later (unrelated to my college major) income more than tripled for a while. So I don't think it's necessary to have a college degree. At least not if you're smart enough to teach yourself. It was luck and politics.  The job was what it was, but I was good at it. I did get to put my smarts to use when I moved up into management. Out of over 450 people that tested for the position I eventually got, only 9 of us passed the test. I was/am inline for another promotion, but with things shaky in NJ, I don't feel comfortable starting a new position at the bottom of the totem pole.
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Re: How Important Is a College Education?
[Re: Don Cardi]
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03/09/11 12:38 AM
03/09/11 12:38 AM
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From time to time I let ya'll know some interesting stories about my students. Here's one from the fall semester.
I had a guy in an online class who failed to turn in November's assignments - three of them. So, I flunked him. He claimed that he had submitted the assignments. Well, the instructional system we use at the college doesn't lie. We had it examined and, sure enough, there was no evidence that he had submitted the assignments. Well, my boss said that in my syllabus I stated that doing the assignments is not an option, and that if you don't do them you will "probably" fail. She's right. It says that. It meant that if you don't do all the assignments because you were in a coma, I might exercise some latitude and let you complete the assignments when you emerge from your coma. Still, my boss said that "probably" might have been misinterpreted by the student. So, I said Okay. Change his grade to a D. She agreed. I'll let you know what happens next.
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Re: How Important Is a College Education?
[Re: olivant]
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03/09/11 02:42 PM
03/09/11 02:42 PM
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... He claimed that he had submitted the assignments. Well, the instructional system we use at the college doesn't lie. We had it examined and, sure enough, there was no evidence that he had submitted the assignments. Well, my boss said that in my syllabus I stated that doing the assignments is not an option, and that if you don't do them you will "probably" fail. She's right. It says that... Just curious about something. The student was already caught in a lie stating that he HAD submitted the assignments and then it was subsequently proven that he did not. So there was no misinterpretation because when the student deliberately lied, assuming that maybe everyone would think his work got lost in cyberspace...he wasn't really questionning the grade. Was he? So shouldn't that alone negate the 'probably' issue? How can you (and your boss) you give a 'D' grade on work that does not exist? And how did the unsubmitted assignments fare against his other work throughout the course. Should've failed him.
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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: How Important Is a College Education?
[Re: olivant]
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03/09/11 10:30 PM
03/09/11 10:30 PM
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Well, the fact that he lied never came up... Well, it should have. What you're telling us is that you failed the fellow because he failed to turn in 3 assignments. He then said he did turn them in, which was proven false. You and your boss then decided to upgrade him to a 'D', because of a completely unrelated issue that he may have misinterpreted your definition of what would 'probably' fail him. Except he lied about it anyway. How could the lie NOT come up...it was the first thing you mentioned here!! That's great. I don't know what the subject of the course is, but hope that all those who DID submit all 3 assignments (or even 1 or 2) were graded just as generously. Nothing personal mind you...I'm just interpreting your post & really can't get around that deliberate lie, assuming the computer records can truly be depended upon. If he said he submitted the assignments when he knew he didn't...then it's because he KNEW he would 'probably' fail for not submitting them. Otherwise, why would he bother to lie about it??? He could just say, "You didn't say we would DEFINITELY fail for not turning them in, you only said we would PROBABLY fail! What about all my other work?" Oh, well...no skin off my nose. Can't wait to read what happens next.
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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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