Are there any young guys who want to join the families who are ready and willing to kill today? I know there are still some but it must be hard to find guys who are really ruthless now. Joey Testa and Anthony Senter are these kind of guys gone for good now?

yeah i really wonder that also since there arent pretty much high profile murders lately. and also some people who ratted people out and are out of witnessprotection are still alive i wonder why they arent whacked.

I think there will always be criminal of every race who are willing to kill. The thing is with how advanced forensics are these days it is so easy to get caught so killing really is used only as an absolute last resort by the mafia.

i agree with this

Well have you read the news in the past 10 years?
In Philly only: Casasanto - Turchi - Martorano - Maniscalco all in the past 7 years.

Plus there was the Bruno hit in Springfield, MA.

Interesting topic. I agree that today it is much harder to get away with murders because of forensic evidence. However, someone also said that there will always be some wackjobs ready to kill without hesitation. Even in non mob-related murders. We might never see the murder inc/demeo crew type murder counts but we will still have mob murders from up and comers

Some twisted people on these boards, lol.

LOL...( Not big deal casual speaking..Hey guys any murders lately? I can't wait till someone gets whacked ...Lmao... "Yo dis guy gotta go...(were gonna cast the guy that played john gotti on I married a mobsters hes a real badass in real life he'll break a bottle on yourhead then stab you with kitche utensil at the table..forks knives and then they put some sh(T on a spoon and keep feedin u and feedin u LOL

Louis Eppolito was a good hitman, because he would just eat ya, no need for demeos garage, Louis Eppolito will eat you whole ..EARLY

Not that many twisted people, PEOPLE Think outside the BOX!!!

Sincerely,

Dicknose

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What was that stupid line joe messina said on the stand it takes acouple meats to make a good sauce..""ehh da gaba goo

There was an article in citypaper or something about Long Johns friends that were interested in Buying his Blood soaked lincoln but it bugged them out hahaaa...now thats the definition of a ghost rider ...

As George Freselone said, the mob today values earners more than killers. They don't care if you've never even seen a gun. There isn't that many murders they have to do anyway so there will always be somebody available. Sammy "Meatballs" Aparo was taped talking about how he thought, out of the 200 member Genovese family, they had about 40 guys who could do hits. Even half of that would be more than enough.

Thats interesting, so about 40 out of 200. Do you think in say the 70s about 80% of made guys had murdered? I know often you had to do that to get made.

This new generation is pampered and spoilt as soon as capo tells them to go get a coffee they will probably get angry and quit the life noway they will be willing to do the things that guys 30 years ago were willing to do.But there will be a few guys

That's the same thing Italian-born mafiosi used to say of the 1st generation of US-born Italian-American associates...and that's a big while ago.

Sure many are spoiled...none do this to get out of poverty...but there will always be guys that with their head over their shoulders, following orders.

This is interesting.
Even tho I've heard that in some family they've brought that thing back...especially after all the rats.

It's also true that, today, it takes a big while before whacking someone...I mean they have to be 100% sure because they know what that leads to > FBI.

AND

There are way less murders compared to the 70s. So less murders, less opportunities to be made...so they had to do something about it before people would not get promoted for years.

Oh...it's like this in Sicily.
A newly flipped "made guy" confirmed that he got promoted without having killed anyone. He was a good earner and was part of it since he was a teen.

The only mob hit in philly in the last 7 years is maybe Maniscalco. But its been said that it may not have been a mob related hit. The other 3 occurred in 99, 02 and 03 I believe. I kind of agree with the posters point. I just think there are more guys playing on the fact that they could hurt/murder you or use to hurt people and use that to try to scare guys now. That's why I think you see a lot more independents and even rats these days just living out in the open almost. Ive been saying how people just aren't scared of the mob like they use to... in philly at least.

Even back in the 1970's, I think 80% of members having participated in a murder is probably too high. At one time it may have been a prerequisite to participate in a murder. Of course, that doesn't mean you had to be the guy who pulled the trigger. But that hasn't been the case for years now. There aren't enough murders that need to happen. And it's smarter for the families to keep only a relative few taking care of hits anyway. That's one thing the feds said about the Genovese family. They keep their hit teams small.

Ivy don't you think though the Genovese' really messed up the Bruno hit? Why use young guys who aren't made to do it? The result was the Feds got a snitch and found out everything.

yeah i thought that as well, prob the fam didnt care at all for arrilotta or springfield idk

The idea of violence itself can be WAY helpful...
From what I hear Ligambi didn't really go broke, didn't he?

Ligambi certainly didn't go broke; he was doing alright. I know Im getting off topic now though, but even with the money Ligambi was making, he wasn't exactly the biggest mob earner of all time. He was doin' alright but; just alright.

I know its not Philly or US LCN, but Gianni Nicchi, a young Sicilian mobster, was running with some serious heavies and was made by his late teens or early twenties. His nickname was "U picciutteddu" ("the little boy") but he was well respected and capable. He was arrested in 09. Another Italian figure is Giovanni Strangio, a young Calabrian mobster involved in the Duisberg massacre. Just check out their wikipedia pages or google images to see how young these guys were wgile they were doing things.

They messed up in a number of ways. First, I'm surprised a guy like Arilotta ever got made to begin with. Probably a result of attrition in that crew. And him promising to send more money down to NY, and the evidence about Bruno possibly being an informant, encouraged Nigro to back him and the Geas brothers. These young punks started pushing around the old timers, including Tranghese, and hired a druggie to do the hit on Bruno. I think it's really Nigro that messed up. And if he already wasn't in prison for life, I wouldn't have been surprised if the family had him killed.

Its much harder to get away with murder today.
Forensics are so much more advanced, security cameras are everywhere and the NYPD and the FBI co-operate on cases where as in days gone by they refused to even speak with each other.
The Demeo crew wouldnt last half as long as it did if it was around now.