At the time that demeo was murdered it looked like that he would go to jail. Now we all know how feared he and his crew were. But roy had never really went to jail and some guys can't handle that (gravano) so do people think that roy may have flipped if he wasn't murdered?

I think DeMeo, psychopath that he was, cared for his son very much. This may have helped the Feds leverage him. Plus, crazy people are just plain unpredictable. And the guy was fucking pazzo .

So maybe?

ya I agree with you I just brought it up since I dont think anybody has asked that i know of and I also wondered if roy demeo didn't flip and was convicted would he have gotten the death penalty since his crew committed so many murders like Murder Inc

There was no death penalty on the books in NY State during his era. And the Feds haven't given the death penalty to a gangster since Lepke Buchalter, almost seventy years ago.

I dont think he would have flipped. It was probably used as an excuse to kill him because someone like castelano probably didnt want to be his codefendant due to the nature of his crimes it would reflect very badly on him not just in court but also his clean cut image that he liked to portray to everyone.

Some stuff in Murder Machine suggests he might of but we'l never know.

Albert DeMeo's book "For the sins of my Father" tells how Roy hatched a plot with his son to fake his death.
Albert was supposed to shoot his Dad as carefully as possible whilst in the car.
The Car would then be abandoned by the roadside where the cops would find it with Roys blood over the seats and assume he'd been whacked.
Roy would then disappear out of the country and his family would join him months later.
As we know, they never got the chance to put the plan into action.
Its hard to say if DeMeo would have flipped, he loved his family and that may have been the crucial factor.
I've said before on this board and I'll say it again, Joey and Anthony did Roy a favour by whacking him.
If he had not been killed, 1983 would have been his last year as a free man because later that year Dom Montiglio got busted and turned government informant.
We'll never know if Roy would have flipped but I do know this - Roy had the last laugh on the Gemini twins because they are rotting in jail now paying for the crews crimes.

He Knew he was gonna get whacked, still he didn't flip. He proved this wrong himself. The feds heard one of the gambinos talking bout passing on the hit cause of who he was around. They had to have told him instantly, just like when the MArcellos where talking of taking out Joe Lombardo. Still after hearing that, they stuck to those they trusted. 1 definatly missjudged, maybe both

I think he would have gone to very far lengths to avoid imprisonment; the fake death involving the son and in particular, the fleeing to a foreign county shows this.

I think the Feds could have flipped him, not in the beginning, maybe during or after trial (in which his testimony would have meant less and less to his case as the trials went on) but definitely when they convinced him of the life his children and family would live once Roy's imprisonment. He wouldn't have flipped like Gravano or MIkey Scars but he would have flipped like Massino.

Shit, even if the guy had no children or wife, it'd be hell being one of his co-defendents. Hell, if I had 26 murders I was lookin' at in court, I wouldn't want DeMeo as one of my co-defendents.

i think he would have def flipped. big paul thought the same.

I have to say I don't think he would have flipped. If he suspected that he was going to get clipped like some suggest here, then why would he go to meetings that could have him killed rather than just go to the FBI?

Shit, even if the guy had no children or wife, it'd be hell being one of his co-defendents. Hell, if I had 26 murders I was lookin' at in court, I wouldn't want DeMeo as one of my co-defendents. [/quote]

I think that this played more of a part in ordering his death than most people think. Castelanno wouldnt be able to play his whole business man role in court with a serial killer standing next to him. I think that dellacrore killed another man in florida for the same reason.

I think that this played more of a part in ordering his death than most people think. Castelanno wouldnt be able to play his whole business man role in court with a serial killer standing next to him. I think that dellacrore killed another man in florida for the same reason.


[/quote ya that was tony plate neil killed in 79. he was very similar to demeo although i've been trying to find for more info and photos of that guy

According to Albert DeMeo - he said that that last Christmas (meaning Dec 1982) his father spent pretty much the entire day locked in his study, Roy wasnt in the festive mood because he knew his days were numbered, he even walked around outside with a 12 gauge in his coat in the final days of his life.

As to the feds giving him a deal! giving Gravano one was bad enough but could they ever give a deal to a guy who had dismembered bodies and chucked them over Fountain Avenue dump?
If the feds had 26 murders to charge the DeMeo crew with you can bet your bottom dollar that the real number was alot higher!

They'll give deals to anyone to get a boss or top capo, they'll argue the ends justify the means but really it's just a scummy and dirty way to puff their chests out and pat themselves on the back.

they even gave joe massino a deal and he was the boss

"ya that was tony plate neil killed in 79. he was very similar to demeo although i've been trying to find for more info and photos of that guy"

This might be old news to you, but I found a site, describing the case where Dellacroce and Plate was charged. Here´s SOME info on Plate.

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xml...LWAR1-1950-1985

I think Plate was born in 1916, but I´m not sure.

we often forget demeo was not a boss or a top capo. he wasn't even made all that long.

Summer of 1977 he got made I think

Ya thats right and even getting made was a real struggle for roy since paul didn't want to which was understandable since he was a hothead

The Gambino Family, by tradition, had always been composed by a large majority of men with sicilian ancestries.
This was pointed out to DeMeo (who had neopolitan ancestries) by Gaggi when he constantly nagged and begged for that button. But this was only an excuse and DeMeo pointed at the fact that Gotti (who also had neopolitan ancestries) had recently been made...
If we set aside DeMeo´s hothead, lack of charisma and fondness of killing people without authorisation, I still have to give him some credit.
He was a heavy earner.
And he was the one who came up with that bullet-trick that saved Gaggi from a long prison sentence after shooting that cop.
I almost hate to say it, but DeMeo had smarts.

I think everybody agrees that demeo was a great earner whivh is why castellano kept him around. according to Mintiglio he brought it 250,000 a week

[/quote] I think everybody agrees that demeo was a great earner whivh is why castellano kept him around. according to Mintiglio he brought it 250,000 a week [/quote]

Right. Gosh...that´s a lot of cannolis.

demeo was very smart...he went all that time dodging the cops and the feds and death himself.....but like everything...it came to an end. he was a very smart man. ran many buisnesses. i believe his brothers were lawyers or doctors or something highly professional