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Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/23/06 08:30 AM
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This question was inspired by I'M GERMAN IRISH postulating that Michael deliberately killed Sollozzo first and McCluskey next was because Michael had a greater hate for McCluskey, and wanted him to suffer for that second or so in knowing that he was about to die.
Altho that may have been Michael's intention, I don't think that that's what would've occured to McCluskey as he watched Michael shoot Sollozzo.
The idea, as Tom pointed out to Michael, of killing a NYC Police Captain was so absolutley outrageous and unheard of - and surely McCluskey knew this - that I doubt if he believed during that one second that Michael intended to kill him as well.
If McCluskey were smart, and had enough time to analyze the situation, he would have realized that Michael's only chance for escape rested with killing him also, but he didn't have the time to think it through.
Instead, I imagine that his thoughts were running somewhere along the line of "Look at that dumb Guinea kid. He just killed Sollozzo..."
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/23/06 09:26 AM
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I agree -- I don't think Mike killed Sollozzo first to force McCluskey into a moment of terror while he contemplated his fate.
But since he did have that second or so, do you think he realized that he was about to be killed also?
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/23/06 10:20 AM
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I don't think McCluskey had enough time to process what was truly going on in front of him. He saw it, obviously. In the novel, Puzo described McCluskey looking at Michael like "now what the hell did you do that for? - hand over your gun and surrender."
I think Sollozzo was naturally wary, but not overly concerned about Michael. He vastly underestimated Michael, which was to the Corleone's favor. As Michael stated in the novel, once anyone makes up his mind to kill somebody, that is the toughest part - reaching such a decision. Sollozzo didn't think that Michael had reached that point, which means Michael did a great job of concealing his true emotions. This was one of his father's great traits and something that Sonny, quite obviously, could not do.
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/23/06 02:43 PM
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NOTE: I changed the titl of this thread t waht is should have ben in the first place: Did McCluskey know...? 
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/23/06 05:20 PM
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i always thought he killed sollozo first as he was his main target and once he was killed and he could be sure then he would kill his bodyguard , imagine if he killed McClusky then Sollozo killed Mike , he would of failed.
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/24/06 09:36 AM
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It would make no sense for Michael to kill McCluskey first.
Sollozzo was the threat. Even if McCluskey had escaped, or somehow killed Michael, the danger to Vito was pretty much eliminated. For Sollozzo, everything depends on Vito's death. McCluskey was just hired protection - a secondary target.
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/24/06 09:45 AM
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Oh, and to answer the original question in this thread... If he had time to think about it, he probably would have realized that he was about to get one right in the bib. Who would leave a police captain alive as a witness to a murder? But he was clearly too shocked to react. I'd bet my last dime that his final seconds were spent trying to figure out where Michael got the gun. After all, McCluskey's frisked 1000 young punks and none of them ever shot him before. 
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/24/06 11:02 AM
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The novel supports you, dt. If memory serves, Puzo wrote something like this:when Michael whipped out the gun, Sollozzo's "reactions were so acute that he had already begun to shield himself. But Michael, younger, his reflexes sharper, pulled the trigger...McCluskey turned to Michael with a look of outrage, as if he should surrender..."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/24/06 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: The novel supports you, dt. If memory serves, Puzo wrote something like this:when Michael whipped out the gun, Sollozzo's "reactions were so acute that he had already begun to shield himself. But Michael, younger, his reflexes sharper, pulled the trigger...McCluskey turned to Michael with a look of outrage, as if he should surrender..." TB in the movie, there is the quick flash in Sollozzo's eyes a split second before Michael shoots him, as if he KNOWS its coming but its too late. It is yet another of those little things that makes the GF such a great film.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/24/06 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by dontomasso: TB in the movie, there is the quick flash in Sollozzo's eyes a split second before Michael shoots him, as if he KNOWS its coming but its too late. It is yet another of those little things that makes the GF such a great film. And while we're on the subject of things that make GF such a great movie: Although Sollozzo is important as a catalyst for things to come in the film, his character doesn't have a lot of screen time and he's knocked off early. But Al Lettieri was such a brilliant choice, and did such a great job with the relatively few lines he had, that he's a far greater presence than his limited screen time would otherwise indicate. He's yet another of those brilliant casting choices, like Joe Spinnel.
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/24/06 11:31 AM
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Agreed TB. A Brilliant casting choice. The GF films prove there are no small parts, just small actors. I mean Brando doesnt have much screen time but his presence is in the movie throughout. Luca only has a couple of scenes, same with Woltz, Paulie, Moe Green, and Barzini...in fact Barzini only has the scene at the wedding where he tears up the picture, and the scene in the board room (and the one in which he gets shot. Ye if you look at the dialogue game people can recite line by line what most of these people say.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/27/06 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by I'M GERMAN-IRISH: I don't think it's fair to call McCluskey dumb (corrupt,yes.)but not knowing if a certain Italian restaurant has good food doesn't prove he's dumb, just not Italian. Maybe if he took Sollozo to a pub, Sollozo may have asked; "Is the corned beef and cabbage any good here?" Maybe he would, but that would also be a great deal different than asking "How's the Irish food in this place?"
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"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
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Re: Did McCluskey know Michael was about to kill him?
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07/27/06 06:55 PM
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Michael was there to kill Sollozzo, there was no guarantee McCluskey would even be at the table...if he got "the turk" sollozzo could have been ignored, would have saved a lot of grief - but the good Captain had to ask how the Italiian food was...he should have stepped next door for a bowl of Irish stew
I also think it 100% certain Sollozzo was armed, while McCluskey may have not been, or at best may have had a back up weapon - I mean, nobody would ever dare kill a New York Police captain....
Sollozzo was known to even be deadly with a knife, no small claim in a modern world
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