how long do you guys think until all the mafia activity outside the northeast ceases to exist? keep in mind this isnt counting mafia activity outside the northeast run by those same families. i think that 20 years from now the only family left outside the northeast will be the outfit and it will be interesting to see what kind of shape that they will be in by that point.

I'd bet even money on the Outfit being down to nonviable "glorified crew" status by then. I imagine old age will take care of much of the structure of the family and Italian-American assimilation will do the rest.

The wild card in this might be the "non-made guys with made guy status" thing, I suppose.

Here's a list of the Outfit confirmed (I think) made guys. Anyone know how old all these guys are? That might give an idea of what kind of shape the family will be in by then. Some of these guys might be dead already (the list is from 5 years ago).

Joseph Andriacchi (he's about 80)
Dominic Basso
Robert Bellavia
Frank James Calabrese (will die in jail)
Bruno Caruso
Frank Caruso
Leo Caruso
Marco D'Amico (late 70s I think)
John DiFronzo (83ish)
Joseph DiFronzo
Peter M. DiFronzo
Salvatore DeLaurentis
Rudolph Fratto (late 60s)
Michael Gurgone
James Inendino
Joseph Frank LaMantia
Joseph Lombardo (will die in jail)
Rocco Lombardo
Michael Magnifichi (apparently retired)
James Marcello (will die in jail unless his long-shot appeal goes through)
Louis Marino
John Matassa
Salvatore Muserino
Albert Roverio
Michael Spano Sr.
John Eugene Spizzirri
Richard Allen Spizzirri
Michael C. Talarico

dont forget Michael Sarno

In my opinion, the only family outside of the northeast that could still be considered viable is Chicago. Once again, I use the term "viable" to mean that it meets the two basic RICO criteria - an ongoing pattern of crimes in behalf of an organization.

At this point, it's hard to argue Detroit really meets that criteria anymore. And certainly not any of the other families outside the northeast. And some past northeast families don't either, i.e. Buffalo/Rochester, NE Pennsylvania, and Pittsburgh.

So I suppose it depends on what you mean by "ceases to exist." As a viable family, most of them have already ceased to exist. But that doesn't mean every last member is dead or even inactive.

what i mean is an end to all criminal activity involving made men, ie nothing with any ties to the respective family in the area.

Who do you think is stronger at this point KC or LA

Neither has what you would call a crime family at this point. There's nothing to compare, really.

anything west of the Mississippi is/was a Chicago outpost.

and yes, the only family outside of NY that actually matters is the Outfit.

Dont count LA out .lol

^^^lol yeah, I make my weekly visit to Milano at da nursin' home to givea my tribute

Like I said, LA is just the Outfit.

NorthEastern PA they hit natural gas, alot of construction companies have come in from all over the place to take advantage of this. Some companies bids do not add up for jobs. Shell is shoveling money out to anyone. I think there enough players out there to cut corners and get away with it. One person goes down, history repeats itself more than likely 10 people will go down and so on

That's like asking who's got it worse, somebody with Stage 2 cancer or somebody with Stage 3.

The Outfit certainly did have operations out west, as well as varying degrees of influence over other families west of Chicago. But families in Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, Los Angeles, etc. were their own families. Not technically a part of the Outfit.

After Dragna's death, the Outfit has had 100% control of the LA faction. The Outfit represents every single family west of the Mississippi on the Commission.

There's no national commission anymore, and there probably isn't an active one in New York, unless occasional overlaps and their concomitant negotiations counts as the "Commission".

Regardless, as far as LCN west of the Mississippi goes, they answer to the Outfit.

Also, the Outfit a glorified crew? Sorry, but never. This city is so engulfed in filth & corruption, they will never leave. They still control SO much here, it's unbelievable.

Young up-&-comers are intelligent young kids that are well-educated. Guys are having their kid's last names legally changed, etc.

My rule is, if you're not right there in it, then there is no way to know that the info you have is correct. You guys make Chicago out to be a small town lol.

My rule is, if you have something to say, back it up with sources, or stfu.

You don't have any sources, I doubt you've ever set foot in Chicago. You're a goof.

No, YOU are the one without any sources, which makes you the goof. Or you're a rat, which is even worse. I never set foot in Chicago and I also never pretended to be an expert on the Outfit, ever.

Thats a good point though Bridge, thats like if I was to come on here and speak on strictly NY business knowing that I've never even been anywhere close to NYC nothing Id say would be relevant for obvious reasons theres a difference between those that actually live in it or around it and those just looking from the outside but thats just my opinion though.

Bridgeport,

While we know you are a proponent of the Outfit, there is NOTHING out West to represent. L.A., San Fran, San Jose, Denver & Dallas have been defunct for many years. The Outfit doesn't have the steam that it used to have in Accardo's days. FYI- When L.A. was functioning, New York also had a piece of the Western families gambling operations and Vegas skimming--it wasn't ALL controlled by the Outfit! Even New Orleans in its heyday answered to New York and Meyer Lansky/Frank Costello who were business partners with Marcello.

BridgeportVet,

I am originally from the midwest. I've been to Chicago many times. Chicago always had a nice thing going due to it being one consolidated outfit. However, it doesn't even compare to New York, as New York's tentacles and control over so many other families were far greater than Chicago's. Remember, New York has 5 families plus control over many others in its heyday. The Outfit is and was big, but not to the extent of New York-Source: Retired FBI Special Agent in Charge of Chicago and author/historian-Bill Roemer!

This guy is a troll. He's exaggerating all of the same fanboy traits. Not only is the modern Outfit all powerful, it rivals the NY families in size. It controls everything west of the Mississippi. It will never disappear. The Feds have it all wrong. And, as we all know, only those from Chicago could know anything about what's happening there.

How can you claim that it rivals New York in size? New York has 5 families, if you combine them to control the city, there would be over 1000 made guys and thousands of associates. There is NOTHING west of the Mississippi any longer. Oh Yeah, the Feds have it all wrong--moron!!! How can the Feds be "all" wrong? They have mopre money, power and undercover agents on the street--If they had it all wrong, none of those "clowns" from Chicago would be in prison. The mafia is declining pal, not growing. Wake up and smell the tomatoes!

ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT ..... You guys really have to stop this garbage ... As far as I'm concerned BridgeportVet is having a good time for himself pissing people off with his attitude.

Stop the pissing contest already!!

***BridgeportVet - You have your second warning against stirring the shit here. The fat lady is clearing her throat.***

i think your bridgeport....

i think your brideport too

the commision is pretty much a thing of the past as well......