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Re: mafia's drug sales
[Re: Five_Felonies]
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05/01/12 10:47 PM
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Sincerely doubt it. If anything, I think the govt would say LCN was active in as many cities as possible to justify continued funding for its various LCN taskforces in each of those places, etc. this is one of the best arguements that can be made with regards to the viability of certain families. Thanks, but in all honesty I think it is just common sense. Sometimes you can show a person all the legitimate data/information you have and they still wont believe it. You also see this with many of our politicians.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 12:26 AM
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Sincerely doubt it. If anything, I think the govt would say LCN was active in as many cities as possible to justify continued funding for its various LCN taskforces in each of those places, etc.
Agenda? No
Reality? Yes
Have you spoken to made guys in areas like Buffalo, etc and asked them if they had a viable family, rackets, making ceremonies? Why are you refusing to even acknowledge the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
Exactly. The FBI has decades of intelligence built up on the LCN. And those cases always make for good press. If there's something to go after in a given city, they likely will. Once the cases start petering off, especially over an extended period of time, that's a good sign the local family is fading out.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 12:37 AM
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Sincerely doubt it. If anything, I think the govt would say LCN was active in as many cities as possible to justify continued funding for its various LCN taskforces in each of those places, etc.
Agenda? No
Reality? Yes
Have you spoken to made guys in areas like Buffalo, etc and asked them if they had a viable family, rackets, making ceremonies? Why are you refusing to even acknowledge the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
Exactly. The FBI has decades of intelligence built up on the LCN. And those cases always make for good press. If there's something to go after in a given city, they likely will. Once the cases start petering off, especially over an extended period of time, that's a good sign the local family is fading out. Or we can assume some are starting to wise up and say " hey these street gangs pose a bigger threat to the public than some old men taking bets so lets put the mafia on the back burner and go after the street gangs". Or are you saying that every FBI member cares about mafia headlines more so than public safety? WHile I do not doubt some do, I find it a stretch to say they all do or even that a majority do.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 12:43 AM
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Or we can assume some are starting to wise up and say " hey these street gangs pose a bigger threat to the public than some old men taking bets so lets put the mafia on the back burner and go after the street gangs".
Or are you saying that every FBI member cares about mafia headlines more so than public safety? WHile I do not doubt some do, I find it a stretch to say they all do or even that a majority do.
You're only too happy to make those assumptions because it's what you want to believe. The Detroit FBI has deemed old Italian guys taking bets to not be a low priority but the FBI offices in Boston, Philly, Chicago, New York, and New Jersey did't get the memo?
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 12:52 AM
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Or we can assume some are starting to wise up and say " hey these street gangs pose a bigger threat to the public than some old men taking bets so lets put the mafia on the back burner and go after the street gangs".
Or are you saying that every FBI member cares about mafia headlines more so than public safety? WHile I do not doubt some do, I find it a stretch to say they all do or even that a majority do.
You're only too happy to make those assumptions because it's what you want to believe. The Detroit FBI has deemed old Italian guys taking bets to not be a low priority but the FBI offices in Boston, Philly, Chicago, New York, and New Jersey did't get the memo? You can keep living in a fantasy world where the good guys always win, that's your prerogative. I choose to remain neutral. 1 out of 5 is still a fairly high percentage. Your argument would hold water if there were 50 cities who behaved a certain way but when you speak of 5 cities and find it inconceivable that one would go in a different direction than the other 4 you lose credibility IMO.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
[Re: Mussolini14]
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05/02/12 12:57 AM
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You can keep living in a fantasy world where the good guys always win, that's your prerogative. I choose to remain neutral. 1 out of 5 is still a fairly high percentage. Your argument would hold water if there were 50 cities who behaved a certain way but when you speak of 5 cities and find it inconceivable that one would go in a different direction than the other 4 you lose credibility IMO. I'm living in a fantasy world? You're the one who's neutral? 
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 11:48 AM
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ivy in ypur opinion how many made guys roughly are in detroit? because if there are above ten there has to be some viability. viable to me sounds like that there is a lcn hierarchy still present then the amount of indictments right?
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 03:59 PM
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ivy in ypur opinion how many made guys roughly are in detroit? because if there are above ten there has to be some viability. viable to me sounds like that there is a lcn hierarchy still present then the amount of indictments right? The last official estimate I'm aware of is from the big 1996 bust when there was said to be 29 made members left. People can bring up mcscott's charts and sources but the fact is his charts have changed many times over the years. He's admitted before that he's not always sure who's made and he's often included associates. Even if one were to assume that they missed identifying some guys back in the 1990's, and others have been made since then, I don't think it's very likely that the total membership in Detroit today could exceed 30 at most, considering others have died over the past 16 years. There's just not enough activity to warrant the belief that there are still 50+ made guys there. And again, I don't necessarily argue there isn't still a viable family in Detroit. They apparently do have some semblance of a hierarchy and there is some activity. What I disagree with is the assertion that they're as big or as strong as some believe them to be. In my opinion, on the list of remaining "viable" families, Detroit would be at the bottom.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 04:11 PM
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I agree with you on activity and that there not really strong has the eastern families but viable to me just sounds like as I said a semblance of a hierarchy. So is that chart got guys who are really associates then?
"You shouldn’t be embarrassed by your wealth. This contempt for money is another trick by the rich to keep the poor without it" - Michael Corleone
"You don't have to count the dead to understand the business of the Camorra" Gomorrah, Roberto Saviano
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Re: mafia's drug sales
[Re: Mussolini14]
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05/02/12 05:00 PM
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Sincerely doubt it. If anything, I think the govt would say LCN was active in as many cities as possible to justify continued funding for its various LCN taskforces in each of those places, etc.
Agenda? No
Reality? Yes
Have you spoken to made guys in areas like Buffalo, etc and asked them if they had a viable family, rackets, making ceremonies? Why are you refusing to even acknowledge the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
Exactly. The FBI has decades of intelligence built up on the LCN. And those cases always make for good press. If there's something to go after in a given city, they likely will. Once the cases start petering off, especially over an extended period of time, that's a good sign the local family is fading out. Or we can assume some are starting to wise up and say " hey these street gangs pose a bigger threat to the public than some old men taking bets so lets put the mafia on the back burner and go after the street gangs". Or are you saying that every FBI member cares about mafia headlines more so than public safety? WHile I do not doubt some do, I find it a stretch to say they all do or even that a majority do. if that was the case then the ny and philly fbi branches would devote much more resources to combating street crimes with all the gangs in both cities than wasting time putting up an indictment of a family like philly which involved no actual violence but just gambling, etc.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 05:04 PM
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i would have said newark like 5 years ago. newark was and still is a violent city, although things seem to be on an upswing. the thing about detroit is that almost the entire infastructure has crumbled. most big cities have a few bad areas but are pretty safe for the most part(ny). in the actual city of detroit there might be a few decent neighborhoods, but for the most part its hell. proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 06:21 PM
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the level of violence in ny is very low compared to detroit street gangs in ny are not so violent and the mafia activity is huge there even in drug trafficking The level of street gang violence in ny is lower compared to nyc, but the violence is still there. Every day you read about kids getting shot or hit by stray bullets. Selling drugs, prostitution, assaults, or murders you name it it happens in nyc, might not be at the same level ad detroit but it still occurs.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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#645850
05/02/12 06:26 PM
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i would have said newark like 5 years ago. newark was and still is a violent city, although things seem to be on an upswing. the thing about detroit is that almost the entire infastructure has crumbled. most big cities have a few bad areas but are pretty safe for the most part(ny). in the actual city of detroit there might be a few decent neighborhoods, but for the most part its hell. proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM i completely agree
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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#645851
05/02/12 06:32 PM
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what areas are still bad areas in nyc? i would say the south bronx, brownville and bed-sty brooklyn, parts of harlem and jamiaca queens but i dont live there so this is just what rap music tells me Dont forget East NY - which is widely known as the last major crime bastion in NYC. Guys get shot in FRONT of police stations in broad daylight there, not to mention cops get shot and killed every few months there. Before business school, I worked at an organization that did some community development in East NY. That area isnt a joke to say the least. I grew up in the south bronx (my parents still live there, dont want to leave the spanish neighborhood), even though currently it is slowly gentrifying especially the area around the stadium cause people who cant afford to buy apts in Manhattan are scooping them up in the south bronx, it is not very safe at night and gang violence is still a common occurrence. Bed stuy is not even that bad (compared to how it used to be, but i dont recommended hanging out at night), now you see tons hipsters walking/moving into that neighborhood especially during the day and on the subway. Many people are buying up all the brownstones in the area and fixing them up for a nice profit. side note: one day I was walking past this african american barbershop in East NY, and in the window there was a mannequin with a shit that had a large picture of John Gotti on the front with the headline "no one on the corner had swagger like me". I thought that was an interesting sight.
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Re: mafia's drug sales
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05/02/12 10:59 PM
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Sincerely doubt it. If anything, I think the govt would say LCN was active in as many cities as possible to justify continued funding for its various LCN taskforces in each of those places, etc.
Agenda? No
Reality? Yes
Have you spoken to made guys in areas like Buffalo, etc and asked them if they had a viable family, rackets, making ceremonies? Why are you refusing to even acknowledge the overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
Exactly. The FBI has decades of intelligence built up on the LCN. And those cases always make for good press. If there's something to go after in a given city, they likely will. Once the cases start petering off, especially over an extended period of time, that's a good sign the local family is fading out. Or we can assume some are starting to wise up and say " hey these street gangs pose a bigger threat to the public than some old men taking bets so lets put the mafia on the back burner and go after the street gangs". Or are you saying that every FBI member cares about mafia headlines more so than public safety? WHile I do not doubt some do, I find it a stretch to say they all do or even that a majority do. if that was the case then the ny and philly fbi branches would devote much more resources to combating street crimes with all the gangs in both cities than wasting time putting up an indictment of a family like philly which involved no actual violence but just gambling, etc. You are assuming that all FBI branch follow the same agenda though.Just because Detroit does something doesn't mean that Phillly and NY would do it and vice verse. Perhaps the senior FBI guys in Philly still deem the mafia to be a bigger threat or care more about the headlines. Doesn't mean the FBI guys in Detroit feel that way. Anyways its all just speculation and I guess we can agree to disagree.
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