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Twenty-Nine Charged in New Jersey for Related, International Schemes to Import Counterfeit Goods and Drugs, Launder Profits


NEWARK, NJ—Federal agencies coordinating parallel international investigations have disrupted massive conspiracies to import hundreds of millions of dollars in counterfeit goods from China and illegal drugs from Taiwan to the United States, New Jersey United States Attorney Paul J Fishman and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Executive Associate Director James A Dinkins announced.

Law enforcement used undercover agents and court-authorized wiretaps to uncover two elaborate schemes to defeat federal border and port security measures at Port Newark-Elizabeth Marine Terminal in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Of the 29 individuals charged in New Jersey in an indictment and three criminal complaints as a result of those investigations, 23 are currently in federal custody.

Federal agents arrested Hui Sheng Shen, a/k/a “Charlie,” and Huan Ling Chang, a/k/a “Alice,” on Saturday, February 25, 2012 in New York. Soon Ah Kow, indicted in January 2012, was also arrested Saturday in Manila, the Philippines. Twenty defendants were arrested this morning in a coordinated, multi-agency takedown.

Six of the charged defendants remain at large.

The federal investigations into the smuggling of counterfeit goods also uncovered an alleged scheme to import 50 kilograms of crystal methamphetamine. Approximately one kilogram of nearly pure crystal meth was purchased from the defendants as part of the operation, which stopped the importation of dozens of additional kilograms of the drug.

In addition to the arrests, federal authorities are seeking to seize and forfeit all proceeds of the counterfeiting scheme and property used to commit the counterfeiting scheme, including automobiles, United States currency, other valuables, and the home of one of the leaders of the counterfeiting ring.

The 19 defendants arrested locally are scheduled to appear before United States Magistrate Judges Cathy L Waldor and Michael A Shipp beginning this afternoon in Newark federal court. Other defendants are expected to appear in the districts where they were arrested.

“The cost of counterfeit goods is not limited to massive financial harm to American businesses and consumers,” said United States Attorney Fishman. “Criminals can exploit the same channels to import other material that threatens our health and safety.

We remain dedicated, through global, inter-agency cooperation and long-term investigations like this one, to ensuring that criminals who see the ports as a gateway to America’s black market instead face American justice.”

“Thanks to the efforts of HSI and our law enforcement partners, we were able to take down a massive counterfeit smuggling enterprise—a scheme involving individuals who were stealing corporate identities and smuggling counterfeit merchandise out of China,” said HSI Executive Associate Director James Dinkins. “Had they not been caught, approximately $300 million worth of illicit goods would have been smuggled into our country. The enormity of this case—and the fact that we followed the investigative leads directly to the source in China, where so many counterfeit goods originate—is a stern warning to counterfeiters and smugglers everywhere. We are vigilantly watching our ports of entry for criminal activity that undermines legitimate commerce and potentially threatens the security of the United States.”

“CBP is on the front line of intellectual property rights enforcement, partnering with other federal agencies, industry and foreign governments to fight cross-border trade in counterfeit and pirated goods.

We are proud to have been part of this important effort to safeguard our nation,” said Robert E Perez, CBP Director, New York Field Operations.

According to the criminal complaints and indictment unsealed today:

Patrick Siu et al. scheme

An investigation led by HSI uncovered a massive scheme to smuggle counterfeit goods manufactured in China into the United States through containers falsely associated with legitimate importers. The investigation was supported by officers from CBP, who helped target, identify, and process the suspect containers. Many of the containers of goods were worth millions of dollars each and together had an estimated retail value of more than $300 million were they legitimate.

The conspirators used stolen corporate identities and false personal identification documents to compromise security at Port Newark-Elizabeth Marine Terminal to help import and attempt to import more than 135 containers of counterfeit goods—primarily Coach, Louis Vuitton, and other handbags; footwear such as UGG boots and Nike sneakers; and clothing—into the United States.

The conspirators concealed the counterfeit goods, among other ways, by using generic outer lids on boxes and generic labels on products to hide the counterfeit brand name labels beneath.

Once the products cleared the ports, the conspirators would remove the outer lids and cut off the generic labels.

Some conspirators obtained the information of legitimate companies and used it on false shipping paperwork. They then managed the flow of false paperwork between China and the United States and supervised the importation of counterfeit goods. Others created and used false and fraudulent personal identification documents, such as Social Security cards, to continue the scheme.

Other conspirators managed the distribution of the goods after they arrived in the United States, delivering them to warehouses and distributing them throughout New Jersey, New York and elsewhere.

Conspirators acting as wholesalers obtained counterfeit goods from the directors of the scheme and supplied the retailers who sold them to the ultimate customers in the United States. Some members of the scheme then laundered the profits by wiring millions of dollars to China without reporting the funds as required by federal law.

Many used the profits of their crimes to maintain lavish lifestyles, buying luxury automobiles and tens of thousands of dollars in jewelry.

During the course of the investigation, the conspirators sought out undercover federal agents (the “ICE UCs”), who purported to have connections at the port allowing them to release containers that were on hold and pass them through to the conspirators.

The conspirators discussed expanding into other lines of counterfeit products, without regard to whether the counterfeit products harmed the health and safety of consumers in the United States.

For example, on December 7, 2010, Hai Yan Jiang spoke with Lin Wu, considering the importation of counterfeit cosmetics. Yan stated that the cosmetics were “counterfeit, but of good quality.” When Wu asked Yan whether these products would be harmful to the users, Yan said, “All I care about is to make money, other things do not matter.” When Wu stated that “business needs to be done with a clear conscience,” Yan replied, “Then go be a monk.”

The defendants and offenses charged in the complaint are outlined in a chart below.

Ning Guo et al. scheme

Simultaneously, the FBI was conducting a parallel investigation into targets operating a smuggling scheme at the port. As the investigations developed, law enforcement discovered targets that connected the conspiracies.

The FBI then joined together with ICE, CBP, and the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of New Jersey to coordinate operations.

This scheme also involved a large-scale international counterfeit goods smuggling and distribution conspiracy and falsified shipping paperwork. As part of the investigation, law enforcement set up a front company as a purported importer of goods. Through the smuggling scheme, the conspirators imported over 35 containers of counterfeit goods with a retail value of over $25 million, including counterfeit Nike sneakers and UGG boots; Burberry, Louis Vuitton, Coach, and Gucci handbags; and cigarettes, among other items.

Some of the conspirators engaged in a conspiracy to launder what they believed to be the proceeds of narcotics and illegal gambling activity through banks in China, the United States and elsewhere.

The defendants and offenses charged in the complaint are outlined in a chart below.

Kow, Shen and Chang scheme

Soon Ah Kow—charged by indictment with drug importation, smuggling, and counterfeit goods trafficking offenses by a Newark federal grand jury on January 6, 2012—was arrested over the weekend following an operation by law enforcement which lured Kow from his residence in Hong Kong.

In February 2012, undercover law enforcement agents lured Kow, who was unaware he was indicted, to the Philippines under the guise of paying him for past transactions and discussing future illegal activities. The Department of Justice, working closely with the Philippine authorities, obtained a provisional arrest warrant for Kow, who was arrested by Philippine law enforcement agents as he stepped off his plane in Manila.

Kow is in the business of brokering international transactions of illegal goods.

Operating out of Southeast Asia, he has met with and introduced his co-conspirators to undercover federal agents (the “FBI UCs”) on numerous occasions for the purpose of importing counterfeit goods and narcotics from Asia to the United States.

The FBI learned in August 2008 that Kow was looking for assistance in importing several containers of counterfeit cigarettes and clearing them through customs. Depending on the size, each such container is worth approximately $2.5 million to $5 million.

Kow contacted FBI UCs posing as individuals who, with associates, could clear counterfeit goods through customs and have them removed from ports on both the east and west coasts of the United States. Kow and several of the conspirators charged in the Guo et al. complaint then used UCs to import several containers of counterfeit goods and counterfeit cigarettes worth millions of dollars.

In late 2010, Kow began discussions with FBI UCs about narcotics importation, meeting in February 2011 with FBI UCs in Manila, where he introduced them to his associates, Hui Sheng Shen and Huan Ling Chang.

In Manila, Kow told the FBI UCs that Shen and Chang represented the interests of Kow’s associates, wealthy narcotics dealers who had been trafficking drugs for over 25 years. Kow and Shen arranged for the delivery of a sample of crystal methamphetamine to the FBI UCs’ hotel lobby, which arrived within hours of a call Ah Kow placed to an associate in Hong Kong.

Following negotiations over recorded telephone calls and intercepted e-mails, the FBI UCs wired approximately $70,000 to a bank account in Taiwan to cover the price of one kilogram of crystal meth, shipping costs, and a broker’s fee for Kow. In July 2011, the UCs received a bill of lading for the container that included the meth, which arrived at the port on August 9, 2011. The drugs were discovered secreted within the container by CBP officers in the exact location described by Shen and Chang.

The meth was hidden inside closed bags of Chinese tea placed within a metal tower-type computer, which was then placed within the packaging for such a computer.

During negotiations for the one kilogram meth deal, Shen and Chang made clear they usually did larger transactions, but agreed to do a smaller transaction to establish trust among the parties. During recorded meetings with FBI UCs in February 2012, Shen and Chang finalized the negotiations for a series of large-scale international narcotics transactions, which would result in more than 50 kilograms of methamphetamine to be imported into the United States, and hundreds more sent to Japan and elsewhere. The defendants provided the FBI UCs with information for a bank account they had opened for these transactions.

The indictment and complaint charge the following offenses:

United States v. Kow

Defendant

Counts

Maximum Potential Penalty/Count

Soon Ah Kow, 72, of Hong Kong

Count one: conspiracy to import methamphetamine

Mandatory minimum 10 years in prison; maximum life in prison; $4 million fine

Count two: aiding and abetting importation of methamphetamine

Count three: distribution of contraband cigarettes

Five years in prison; $250,000 fine

Counts four through eight: smuggling

20 years in prison; $250,000 fine

Count nine: conspiracy to traffic in counterfeit goods and services

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine

Counts 10-14: trafficking in counterfeit goods and services

United States v.

Shen et al.

Defendant

Counts

Maximum Potential Penalty / Count

Hui Sheng Shen, 45, of Taiwan

Count one: conspiracy to import methamphetamine

Mandatory minimum 10 years in prison; maximum life in prison; $4 million fine

Huan Ling Chang, 41, of Taiwan

Count two: importation of methamphetamine



United States Attorney Fishman praised special agents of HSI, under the leadership of Executive Associate Director Dinkins and Special Agent in Charge Andrew M McLees; and the FBI, under the direction of Special Agent in Charge Michael B Ward in Newark, for leading the investigations. He also thanked officers from United States Customs and Border Protection, under the direction of Robert E Perez, Director, Field Operations, for their vital investigative role. The United States Attorney also credited FBI special agents in Manila, Beijing, Hong Kong, and Taiwan; the Phillipine authorities; and the Department of Justice’s Organized Crime and Gangs Section, Office of Enforcement Operation and Office of International Affairs for their contributions.

The government is represented by Assistant United States Attorneys Zach Intrater and Andrew Pak, and Deputy Chief Erez Liebermann of the United States Attorney’s Office Economic Crimes Unit in Newark.

The charges and allegations contained in the complaints and indictment are merely accusations, and the defendants are considered innocent unless and until proven guilty.

United States v.

Siu, et al.

Defendant

Counts

Maximum Potential Penalty/ Count

Patrick Siu, 39, Richardson, Texas

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Counts two through six: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Hai Dong Jiang, 35, of Staten Island, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Counts three through six: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count seven: conspiracy to evade financial reporting requirements

Five years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Hai Yan Jiang, 32, of Richardson, Texas

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count seven: conspiracy to evade financial reporting requirements

Five years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Fei Ruo Huang, 32 or 35, of Staten Island, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense



Counts two through six: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Da Yi Huang, 42, of Staten Island, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Wu Lin, 43, of Maspeth, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Wai Kwok Ho, 42, of Flushing, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count four: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Sze Yeung Ma, 34, of Flushing, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Wei Qiang Zhou, 36, of Brooklyn, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Ning Guo*, 38, of People’s Republic of China

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Counts two through three: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Jian Zhi Mo*, 44, of Flushing, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count five: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Dao Feng Shi, 35, of Palisades Park, New Jersey

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Cheng Dong Xia, 49, of Brooklyn, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Miao Tracy Zhou, 30, of Woodside, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Xiance Zhou, 37, of Queens, New York

Count seven: conspiracy to evade financial reporting requirements

Five years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Jian Chun Qu, 31, of Queens, New York

Count seven: conspiracy to evade financial reporting requirements

Five years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

* Defendant is also charged in United States v. Guo, et al.

United States v. Guo, et al.



Defendant

Counts

Maximum Potential Penalty/ Count

Guo Hua Zhang*, 49, of New Berlin, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count two: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Wan Ping Ren*, age unknown, of New Berlin, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count two: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Yi Jian Chen, 52, of Brooklyn, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count three: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Kong Biao Wang, 31, of Brooklyn, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Hui Huang, 32, of Brooklyn, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Bassirou Issoufou, 27, of New York, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Jian Zhi Mo*, 44, of Flushing, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Counts four through six: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count seven: money laundering conspiracy

20 years in prison; $500,000 fine

Yuan Feng Lai, 27, of New York, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Counts five through six: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count seven: money laundering conspiracy

20 years in prison; $500,000 fine

Yuan Bo Lai, 24, of Brooklyn, New York

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count six: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Ming Zheng, 46, of New York, New York

Count seven: money laundering conspiracy

20 years in prison; $500,000 fine

Gou Qiang Zhao, 24, of Flushing, New York

Count seven: money laundering conspiracy

20 years in prison; $500,000 fine

Ning Guo*, 38, of People’s Republic of China

Count one: counterfeit goods conspiracy

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Counts three through six: counterfeit goods trafficking

10 years in prison; $250,000 fine, or twice the gross gain or loss from the offense

Count seven: money laundering conspiracy

20 years in prison; $500,000 fine

* Defendant is also charged in United States v. Siu, et al.

Reported by: FBI

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Re: 29 charged in counterfeit goods, drug bust [Re: IvyLeague] #638430
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makes you wonder what % of contraband they actually stop? my guess would be less than 5%. thank you homeland security for keeping me safe from knockoff sneakers and handbags


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Almost every Asian corner store is chalk full of counterfeit goods, and they don't hide it. It makes me think the authorities turn a blind eye to it because they don't want to ruffle the feathers of Asians, who they keep trying to portray as the "model minority."

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They don't get Asians much because they are too busy stalking every single Italian male in the northeast US.

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Originally Posted By: CarloRizzo
They don't get Asians much because they are too busy stalking every single Italian male in the northeast US.


Asians basically have a free pass to do what they want in the US, they openly break various laws and the local and federal governments do nothing about it. I live in an area with a lot of Asians, and I see it every day, they've created a state inside a state. They love your money, but don't give a shit about your laws....

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Asians basically have a free pass to do what they want in the US,


if it was true they should be the most powerful crime group by far but i dont think so, theyre influence is limited to chinatowns only and even inside there are different etnich groups (chinese, vitnamese etc...)

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That seems to be very usual these days. Anti-counterfeiting activists, also as the United States Department of Homeland Security, are getting tough on those who traffic in counterfeit merchandise that pretends to be from a trusted brand-name. But now a few want to turn that scrutiny on the customers of these goods. People who knowingly buy such goods could end up behind bars if lawmakers are effective.

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Consumers next target of anti-counterfeit crusaders?

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Asians basically have a free pass to do what they want in the US,


if it was true they should be the most powerful crime group by far but i dont think so, theyre influence is limited to chinatowns only and even inside there are different etnich groups (chinese, vitnamese etc...)



They may actually be most powerful. Their crime rings are often tied in with political clubs too, giving them something unique.

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They may actually be most powerful. Their crime rings are often tied in with political clubs too, giving them something unique.


political clubs where? in hong kong and taiwan yes im talking about the states

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The tongs in chinatown are pretty powerful, they have connections to triads, snakeheads, as well as loan sharking and large-scale gambling operations. They are also involved with a lot of legitimate businesses and even trade unions.

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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
The tongs in chinatown are pretty powerful, they have connections to triads, snakeheads, as well as loan sharking and large-scale gambling operations. They are also involved with a lot of legitimate businesses and even trade unions.

That's true, but you almost never see them loaning money or gambling with non-Asians. That's what sets the Italians apart from them here in the States. Italian Americans will do business with other ethnic groups. The Asians are so clannish they won't even leave Chinatown for chemotherapy.


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The tongs in chinatown are pretty powerful, they have connections to triads, snakeheads, as well as loan sharking and large-scale gambling operations. They are also involved with a lot of legitimate businesses and even trade unions.

That's true, but you almost never see them loaning money or gambling with non-Asians. That's what sets the Italians apart from them here in the States. Italian Americans will do business with other ethnic groups. The Asians are so clannish they won't even leave Chinatown for chemotherapy.


Yeah but it works in their favour to limit the amount of outsiders. Plus chinatown itself makes more than enough money when you count all the stores, vendors, sweatshops, brothels,gambling establishments not to mention all the other illegal activity that takes place. And you don't see these guys getting taken down in indictments every year like the mafia has.

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to act only inside chinatowns is a big limit, if in the future these enclaves will disappear what's left of triads or tongs would disappear suddenly
italian mafia is present all across 5 districts and other states, it has links with everyone and its money is by far bigger i bet

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Asians are now the fastest growing minority minority in the US.


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Re: 29 charged in counterfeit goods, drug bust [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti] #655714
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Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
I've heard of the Triads but who are the Snakeheads?



chinese gangs that smuggles people mostly into western countries


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Re: 29 charged in counterfeit goods, drug bust [Re: IvyLeague] #655715
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oh okay so thats a slang term


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Re: 29 charged in counterfeit goods, drug bust [Re: m2w] #655717
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Originally Posted By: m2w
to act only inside chinatowns is a big limit, if in the future these enclaves will disappear what's left of triads or tongs would disappear suddenly
italian mafia is present all across 5 districts and other states, it has links with everyone and its money is by far bigger i bet


The italian mafia maybe present across all boroughs new york, but even they mostly at a street level just stick to certain areas, and most of the crimes they commit are against the people in their own communities, it just who the most accessible people and targets are. Its what every crime group does. Just because the gambinos have a presence in queens does not mean they control the entire queens area, maybe howard beach and other white working to middle class areas. The only activities that might take them out of a certain area work wise is probably the union and construction crimes but even then just because they are behind some building going up in downtown manhattan doesn't mean that all of a sudden that street or block is now mafia turf.

Re: 29 charged in counterfeit goods, drug bust [Re: IvyLeague] #655721
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As much as this subject comes up, the answer is pretty obvious. If were talking about the NY metro area, both cases over the past decade or two, as well as recent news articles, show none of the "emerging" crime groups in the area have been able to rival the LCN. All the predictions by experts, and even law enforcement in the past, proved premature. What the newer crime groups have done is simply added to the over all amount of crime.


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No ones going to be able to do what the lcn has done. To do that these newer groups would need to go back in time or law enforcement would have to disappear for a few years. I also agree with the lcn being the most structured and organised. But i think the mistake people make is that they think that the italians hold the keys to everything still and that these other groups are automatically inclined to rival them and try and take them on, when really these other groups set up shop and do what they want anyway.

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of course italian mafia don't run all new york or all queens only parts of it but its clearly the most powerful organization and although other groups can stay on theri own they are not in position to fight or take over
some lcn illegal business are all across they are not limited to this or that block, like construction industry, waste disposal, gambling, videopoker machines etc.

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i read lil al darco had a sitdown in little italy with some china boss. if your ever in foxwoods at 3am drunk and walk in that room were its all smoke and chinese people, what game are they playing they dont stop or sleep it looks crazy.

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Originally Posted By: m2w
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They may actually be most powerful. Their crime rings are often tied in with political clubs too, giving them something unique.


political clubs where? in hong kong and taiwan yes im talking about the states



In Chinatown of New York the political clubs there were tied in past to street gangs. Not only Chinese, but Vietnamese too. They are not affiliated with Democrat or Republican party, they tend to contribute to both and are involved with business districts, and civic associations related to Asian Issues.

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There is nothing brand new about counterfeit sporting merchandise. It is a criminal industry that takes billions a year away from legitimate, authorized vendors. With the world's eyes on London this summer, UK authorities are urging vacationers to avoid sustaining criminal behavior by purchasing knock-off items. Already, hundreds have been arrested for pushing bogus goods.

Re: 29 charged in counterfeit goods, drug bust [Re: GerryLang] #729562
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Asians basically have a free pass to do what they want in the US, they openly break various laws and the local and federal governments do nothing about it. I live in an area with a lot of Asians, and I see it every day, they've created a state inside a state. They love your money, but don't give a shit about your laws....


This sounds like someone talking about Italians circa 1915.


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That's true, but you almost never see them loaning money or gambling with non-Asians. That's what sets the Italians apart from them here in the States. Italian Americans will do business with other ethnic groups. The Asians are so clannish they won't even leave Chinatown for chemotherapy.


This, especially among first and second gen. The Asian gangsters can rely on their distrust of authorities and language barriers to keep quiet once they're victimized.

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