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Re: After the massacre of all the heads..
[Re: olivant]
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06/08/12 08:43 AM
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Once Michael crossed his Rubicon, that was it. As TB points out, he couldn't simply walk away. It was in his blood to dominate the underworld. He liked the power and the manipulation. it was intoxicating. Power usually is. Michael managed it better than many did. I've never bought into the Michael wanted to be legitimate story line. He wanted the appearance of legitimacy so that he could continue his nefarious ways. Yep, he also used others as scapegoats when there was a "barrier" to him going legit.
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Re: After the massacre of all the heads..
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06/11/12 01:13 PM
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I think Michael crossed the point of no return when he pulled the trigger on Solozzo and McCluskey.
Last edited by DonJon; 06/11/12 01:15 PM.
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Re: After the massacre of all the heads..
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06/11/12 01:32 PM
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In some ways, yes. Many of us here believe it came even earlier: when, in the hospital, he said, "I'm with you now, Pop," he could have meant that he was, finally, with the family, not just at his father's side.
But I believe that he could have chosen to go his own way after Sicily. He could have said to Vito: "Pop, I was wrong to hold you and the family at arms-length, but I made up for it. I killed the two guys who were conspiring to kill you, and saved your life. I paid a heavy price: I had to ditch my beloved Kay and hide in Sicily. I lost my beloved Apollonia to a bomb intended for me because I'm your son. We're quits. Sonny dead? I grieve as do you. Fredo not up to the Donship? Sorry, Pop, but that's not my problem. Besides, you always said you wanted me to be 'Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone.' Well, Pop, I can't get there if I'm 'Don Corleone.'"
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: After the massacre of all the heads..
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06/11/12 03:10 PM
06/11/12 03:10 PM
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The Last Woltz
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In some ways, yes. Many of us here believe it came even earlier: when, in the hospital, he said, "I'm with you now, Pop," he could have meant that he was, finally, with the family, not just at his father's side.
But I believe that he could have chosen to go his own way after Sicily. He could have said to Vito: "Pop, I was wrong to hold you and the family at arms-length, but I made up for it. I killed the two guys who were conspiring to kill you, and saved your life. I paid a heavy price: I had to ditch my beloved Kay and hide in Sicily. I lost my beloved Apollonia to a bomb intended for me because I'm your son. We're quits. Sonny dead? I grieve as do you. Fredo not up to the Donship? Sorry, Pop, but that's not my problem. Besides, you always said you wanted me to be 'Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone.' Well, Pop, I can't get there if I'm 'Don Corleone.'" He may have been able to leave the Family after Siciliy, but where would he go? Aspirations of holding higher office were basically killed along with Sol and Mac. And the other Families would never view him as a civilian again. The closing of legitimate avenues to Michael was made quite clear by Vito's reaction when he's told that Michael killed Sollozzo and McCluskey.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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