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Tessio's Crew
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06/22/12 09:58 PM
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danielperrygin
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Who was in his crew? Who ran it after he was killed? You never see anybody with him or hear of a replacement for him, were his people just took in as part of Pete's family once Mike moved to Vegas?
Last edited by danielperrygin; 06/22/12 09:59 PM.
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Re: Tessio's Crew
[Re: danielperrygin]
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06/23/12 06:15 AM
06/23/12 06:15 AM
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Danito
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Who was in his crew? Who ran it after he was killed? You never see anybody with him ... We see people at the compound from Tessio's crew after Bruno Tattaglia was shot. It may be possible though, that they were Sonny's men. By the way, that's a difference to the book: "The two guards were Clemenza’s men and he gave them a frown of greeting that served as a salute. The men nodded their heads in acknowledgment."
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Re: Tessio's Crew
[Re: danielperrygin]
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06/24/12 04:32 AM
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FWIW, I think Puzo had in a mind a deeper, more multi-layered organizational structure than did (or does) the mafia in reality. I never viewed the various 'Caporegimes' as anything less than multiple 'street bosses' (to use more modern parlance) each with multiple 'captains' (modern again) beneath them.
As Cicci says during the Senate hearings, "Yeah, Senator, the Corleone family had lots of 'buffers'."
That to me suggests more than just Don-->Caporegime-->Buttonman-->Associates as that would equate to just a single real buffer (albeit the Consiglieri would act as an additional buffer in some cases), and that is plainly not Cicci's experience as a lowly buttonman.
Puzo just didn't elaborate on this to any great extent, with the story focusing on the top--where the decisions were made--and the 'sharp end of the sword', where those orders were actually carried out. We don't see so much of what happens in between, but I feel certain Puzo envisaged more depth (and ranks) to the Corleone Family, otherwise so much else just doesn't make sense, such as the entire organization managing with just three 'captains' when real families of the era had in some cases in excess of 20 captains.
Interactive Fiction Author Current project - 1920s Prohibition novel 'Vendetta: Rise of a Gangster'
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Re: Tessio's Crew
[Re: pizzaboy]
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06/25/12 06:18 PM
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You also have to consider that when the book was written and the films were made, the general public (Puzo and FFC included) didn't know nearly as much about the structure of LCN as we know today. Today, all you have to do is a Google search. At the time of the writing, Puzo had the sum total of Valachi and Kefauver (and he still did a fine job). An excellent point, and one of the reasons why I've always had the impression that Puzo envisaged a larger hierarchy than was ever actually detailed in his writing (which would've been unnecessary anyway as he did such a good job of conveying the feel without it). An off-topic aside: I've always wondered if Puzo actually had any other sources of 'inside information' available to him. Does anyone know if this might've been the case, or indeed, is there perhaps an old thread around here someone could point me to? Many thanks.
Interactive Fiction Author Current project - 1920s Prohibition novel 'Vendetta: Rise of a Gangster'
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Re: Tessio's Crew
[Re: olivant]
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06/25/12 09:19 PM
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TB, I disagree. Pentangeli tells Michael that he wants to run his family without Michael riding him about it. Michael confirms that Frankie is a Don by telling him that he is to run his family like a Corleone. There is nothing to indicate otherwise, offically or not. The FBI chart shown at the Senate hearing lists Pentangeli as a caporegime. That Frankie tells Michael that "I wanna run my family without you on my back..." [emphasis added] tells me Frankie saw the men under him as his family unit and he resented Michael telling him what to do vis a vis the Rosatos. But it doesn't necessarily connote Frankie as an independent Don--if he were, he wouldn't be in Tahoe pleading with Michael.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Tessio's Crew
[Re: Danito]
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07/12/12 04:16 PM
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I find it interesting that during the senate hearings Willie Cicci says that he first started as a soldier just as anybody else, indicating that he was promoted at some point, yet on the chart he is listed as an ordinary soldier.
When Pentangeli arrives at the compound with Cicci, you see Cicci making a commanding sign to some other guys to come with them. To me it's evident that by the time Pentangeli was running things in New York, Cicci was definitely more than just a soldier. He must have been promoted after he killed Tessio. Nick Geraci killed Tessio. 
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