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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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The Corscican Mafia now control the streets of Paris. They are involved in Racketeering, Robbery, Extortion, Prostitution, Money Laundering, Drug Trade, Gun Trade, Contract killing, Loansharking. The Corsican's are maped (all over the world). They are also involved in Political Corruption with Presidents and Priminster's. The Corsican's control some Las Vegas Casinos and Gambling operations. The Film American Gangster, The Corsican's had a failed assassination on Frank Lucas after he put them out of business through the Harlem Drug Trade in the 1960s through the 1970s. American Gangster is not a very accurate portrayal. Although he was a big time drug dealer in new york, frank lucas did not put the corsicans out of business. In real life he was not the one bringing heroin into the country it was another black gangster army vet named ike atkinson who was based in north carolina who was smuggling heroin in from south east asia and then selling it to american distributors lucas being one of them. Corsicans were the suppliers, lucas would not have been a threat to them. the french connection had even worked with some black gangsters directly such as melvin williams in baltimore and frank matthews who were way bigger drug dealers than lucas. Nicky Barnes was the guy that controlled harlems drug trade from the top down throughout the 70s.
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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I don't think the Serbs are that active in France nowadays. Maybe in theft. Serbs are more active in the Scandinavian countries, Netherlands, it's neighbouring Yugoslav countries and Austria. In those countries they still are involved in a wide range of criminal activities such as drug trafficking, arms trafficking, contract killing, fraud,... Maybe they're also still strong in Germany but I'm not really sure about that, since Germany in recent years is home to Albanian, Turkish, Russian and Vietnamese mobs and Germany has also seen the rise of particulary brutal and increasingly powerful criminal organizations composed of Mhallami people such as the 'Miri clan'.
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57523337/poverty-pulls-marseilles-into-deadly-gang-war/ Forget about Paris, Marseille is apparently where the brutal stuff happens. If the Corsican mafia clans constantly warring against each other weren't enough, the 'caids des cites' ( literally 'big boys from the ghettos' ) are growing up, becoming involved in higher-level criminal activities like multi-million drug trafficking, extortion and contract killing. In addition to the Corsicans, they now have French Gypsy, Algerian and Tunisian criminal gangs and clans ripping each other to pieces with their favorite weapon of choice : the Kalashnikov. Assassinations in broad daylight, bodies set on fire,...it's beginning to look like a war zone. The same thing is happening in Grenoble. The Italians who used to run things over there have been put out of business and the more loosely organized, but more numerous and far more brutal Gitanos and Maghrebians from the poor banlieues are taking over ( or have already taken over). Here's an article in French : http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/...-grenoblois.php
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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Black gangs in Paris not well organized?? You should read about Kevin Doure. A guy from Martinique who was sending drugs in France. Caribbean groups from the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Martinique and Guadeloupe are sendings drugs to African groups in the « banlieus » of Paris. Place like the 92 and 93, black african gangs are heavy and well organized. https://www.google.ca/amp/m.leparis...devant-la-justice-27-05-2018-7738122.php
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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Black gangs in Paris not well organized?? You should read about Kevin Doure. A guy from Martinique who was sending drugs in France. Caribbean groups from the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Martinique and Guadeloupe are sendings drugs to African groups in the « banlieus » of Paris. Place like the 92 and 93, black african gangs are heavy and well organized. https://www.google.ca/amp/m.leparis...devant-la-justice-27-05-2018-7738122.phpThat theme with Afro/Black crime groups being unorganized is a running gag by now. They can't help themselves with being interested in what catches their attention and others don't.
If you think you are too small to make a difference, you haven't spend the night with a mosquito. - African Proverb
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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Black gangs in Paris not well organized?? You should read about Kevin Doure. A guy from Martinique who was sending drugs in France. Caribbean groups from the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Martinique and Guadeloupe are sendings drugs to African groups in the « banlieus » of Paris. Place like the 92 and 93, black african gangs are heavy and well organized. https://www.google.ca/amp/m.leparis...devant-la-justice-27-05-2018-7738122.phpThat theme with Afro/Black crime groups being unorganized is a running gag by now. They can't help themselves with being interested in what catches their attention and others don't. Yeah for real, because just in France, you had Kevin Doure, the french media called him the French Pablo Escobar. You have frwnch documentary about him, talking about how he’s sending kilos of cocaine from Martinique to the Havre (port in France). And the Doumbia brothers got guys working in the docs, to take the cocaine and distributing it in the 93 and other places in Paris. The Doumbia brothers have many buisnesses in Paris, night clubs, agency etc. One of the Doumbia brother was well known in the football scene. They were even trafficking football matches. And Kevin Doure got a company in Dubai, Miami, France and China. You can read about it in French articles
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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Black gangs in Paris not well organized?? You should read about Kevin Doure. A guy from Martinique who was sending drugs in France. Caribbean groups from the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Martinique and Guadeloupe are sendings drugs to African groups in the « banlieus » of Paris. Place like the 92 and 93, black african gangs are heavy and well organized. https://www.google.ca/amp/m.leparis...devant-la-justice-27-05-2018-7738122.phpThat theme with Afro/Black crime groups being unorganized is a running gag by now. They can't help themselves with being interested in what catches their attention and others don't. Yeah for real, because just in France, you had Kevin Doure, the french media called him the French Pablo Escobar. You have frwnch documentary about him, talking about how he’s sending kilos of cocaine from Martinique to the Havre (port in France). And the Doumbia brothers got guys working in the docs, to take the cocaine and distributing it in the 93 and other places in Paris. The Doumbia brothers have many buisnesses in Paris, night clubs, agency etc. One of the Doumbia brother was well known in the football scene. They were even trafficking football matches. And Kevin Doure got a company in Dubai, Miami, France and China. You can read about it in French articles Very interesting.
If you think you are too small to make a difference, you haven't spend the night with a mosquito. - African Proverb
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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Well if anybody has been reading my posts it's clear that I don't consider black crime groups to be disorganized by default. There's plenty of African American as well as Caribbean groups in North America that move unreal amounts of dope, have diversified their rackets and make a ton of money.
Same in the Netherlands where there have been Surinamese individuals active in large-scale cocaine trafficking, less in the form of a "group" but more as key sources for cocaine cooperating with the local Dutch crime firms. In more recent years there are Curaçaoan gangs that have scaled up their activities in a similar way to the Caribbean groups in North America: importing as well as distribution among other things.
Several black crime groups should definitely be considered organized crime and I never stated otherwise.
It's just that there doesn't seem to be a lot of information on the black gangs in France, especially not in regards to large scale stuff. Whenever I do some research on local organized crime in France what comes up the most seems to be the Corsican mob, the Traveller crime families (Hornec, Bengler, Morival...) as well as the Algerian gangs (Hakkar, Remadnia, Tir...) in which the Travellers and the North Africans are mostly in direct cooperation.
I wasn't aware of Kevin Doure though. Thanks for sharing the article.
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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Are there any predominantly or exclusively ethnic French OC groups in Paris besides ( perhaps ) certain chapters of the Hells Angels ? The Hornec's and their direct entourage in Paris (as is the case with most of the other infamous "Traveller" crime families in France) are not "gypsies" like the traveling Roma people from Eastern Europe or the Sinti people from Western Europe, but they're described more like "Voyageurs" - indigenous traveling people that are of European descent, mostly from France, Germany or Switzerland. It's the same like in the Netherlands where the "Reizigers/Woonwagenbewoners" are mostly of indigenous Dutch or sometimes of German descent or the Irish Travellers in Ireland that are of indigenous Irish descent. The Hornec's for instance have their origins in the Alsace region of Germany, but they'd consider themselves French more than anything. The crime families from the settled Traveller communities are probably the closest thing to indigenous "French" organized crime. You could consider Corsican OC as indigenous "French" OC as well, but they probably don't like hearing that lol. There are however quite a few ethnic French individuals from France that are definitely involved in upper tier organized crime; mostly with connections to the Corsicans and the Voyageurs. In Brussels in the 80's there were a couple of French brothers, originally from a town at the Belgian border, active in large scale narcotics trafficking, prostitution, forgery, art theft... One in particular was probably one of the biggest and most successful criminals in Belgium ever. Very well protected individual with far-reaching law enforcement and "high society" connections.
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Re: Organized Crime in Paris
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02/13/19 01:32 PM
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Are there any predominantly or exclusively ethnic French OC groups in Paris besides ( perhaps ) certain chapters of the Hells Angels ? The Hornec's and their direct entourage in Paris (as is the case with most of the other infamous "Traveller" crime families in France) are not "gypsies" like the traveling Roma people from Eastern Europe or the Sinti people from Western Europe, but they're described more like "Voyageurs" - indigenous traveling people that are of European descent, mostly from France, Germany or Switzerland. It's the same like in the Netherlands where the "Reizigers/Woonwagenbewoners" are mostly of indigenous Dutch or sometimes of German descent or the Irish Travellers in Ireland that are of indigenous Irish descent. The Hornec's for instance have their origins in the Alsace region of Germany, but they'd consider themselves French more than anything. The crime families from the settled Traveller communities are probably the closest thing to indigenous "French" organized crime. You could consider Corsican OC as indigenous "French" OC as well, but they probably don't like hearing that lol. There are however quite a few ethnic French individuals from France that are definitely involved in upper tier organized crime; mostly with connections to the Corsicans and the Voyageurs. In Brussels in the 80's there were a couple of French brothers, originally from a town at the Belgian border, active in large scale narcotics trafficking, prostitution, forgery, art theft... One in particular was probably one of the biggest and most successful criminals in Belgium ever. Very well protected individual with far-reaching law enforcement and "high society" connections. Aren't the Hornecs Yeniche and/or Jenish ( don't know which term is more appropriate ) though ? Also what's the name of that fellow you mentioned or are you not at liberty to say ? Anyways thanks for the information .
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