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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
[Re: Five_Felonies]
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08/24/12 02:29 PM
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I read about this. Notice how he was killed right in front of his family. The rules over there are, there are no rules. There was another one killed recently too. I forget his name.
The difference is, it's about honor and respect in Italy, and monetary things come second. They're born into mafia families, their memories are long, they want to avenge deaths from decades ago, etc. They don't wake up and say, "gee what should I do for a living...ok, maybe I'll see if I can get made into mafia." Who's the last US mafioso boss that held his honor so high that he was willing to go into hiding in a hole in the floor for years? Or hang out in catacombs for years? Or a shitty farmhouse? It's because the honor of what they're doing is first and foremost. You'll never see that here in the US. Thats why if you're ever in Sicily, you wouldn't know who a mafioso was unless you knew who he was.
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 02:40 PM
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^^^^ Well put. It's apples and oranges. American mob is about money and material gain first, honor and respect second. In Italy it's the other way around. I'm trying to imagine Gotti in a pair of pantaloons and a knit cap, milking a donkey while hiding out in that farmhouse  .
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 02:43 PM
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They're born into mafia families, their memories are long, they want to avenge deaths from decades ago, etc. If it was Marco Di Lauro who ordered this Gaetano Marino to be killed, then he is going against any revenge logic. He had lost no close relatives in the war between the Di Lauros and the Marino-Amato group while Gaetano Marino has lost a father if memory serves me right, so theoretically it was him who should have taken revenge on Marco Di Lauro. Maybe they killed him just to prevent that. You're speaking specifically, I was speaking generally. I don't know the exact details of this particular killing.
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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Most killings are turf wars. Why is that not for honor? They pride themselves on what they doing being based on THEIR idea of honor and respect. We've been over this before on this forum, and as I've said before, their idea of honor isn't yours. Agreed. If it's the code they swear by and the code they promise to live by, then the honor to them is upholding those codes. It means disgrace to you, it means honor to them. If you don't get it, then I can't explain it any clearer. We've never been through this before on the forum, at least not you and myself. And I get their sense of honor very well, never did I say I didn't, still think it's fucked up. You can understand things while disagreeing with it. IMO, if honor plays a part in this killing, then the honor thing is merely used as a lame excuse to eliminate an opponent. Agreed.
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 02:56 PM
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^^^^ We, as a forum, not you and I. Done. No not done. I'm not done with you yet, come back. I wanna talk to you. Now you sound like my husband. (Or is that my wife?  )
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 03:01 PM
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I read about this. Notice how he was killed right in front of his family. The rules over there are, there are no rules. There was another one killed recently too. I forget his name.
The difference is, it's about honor and respect in Italy, and monetary things come second. They're born into mafia families, their memories are long, they want to avenge deaths from decades ago, etc. They don't wake up and say, "gee what should I do for a living...ok, maybe I'll see if I can get made into mafia." Who's the last US mafioso boss that held his honor so high that he was willing to go into hiding in a hole in the floor for years? Or hang out in catacombs for years? Or a shitty farmhouse? It's because the honor of what they're doing is first and foremost. You'll never see that here in the US. Thats why if you're ever in Sicily, you wouldn't know who a mafioso was unless you knew who he was. solid points. seems like you rarely here of a mobster going into hiding period over here, much less roughing it.
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 03:36 PM
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^^^^ Well put. It's apples and oranges. American mob is about money and material gain first, honor and respect second. In Italy it's the other way around. I'm trying to imagine Gotti in a pair of pantaloons and a knit cap, milking a donkey while hiding out in that farmhouse  . Agreed. The Italians have kept their special honor and respect very close to their hearts. It has been their bread and butter since it first got started. The US Mafia dropped it many, many years ago.
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 03:46 PM
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Agreed. The Italians have kept their special honor and respect very close to their hearts. It has been their bread and butter since it first got started. The US Mafia dropped it many, many years ago.
If it's REALLY like that, then paradoxically the conclusion would be that it's better when people are after money then if the think about honor because in the USA where, as you say, honor is only in second place among mafiosi, there have been far less innocent mafia victims. Mafia "honor" = massacres of innocents
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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 04:02 PM
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Agreed. The Italians have kept their special honor and respect very close to their hearts. It has been their bread and butter since it first got started. The US Mafia dropped it many, many years ago.
If it's REALLY like that, then paradoxically the conclusion would be that it's better when people are after money then if the think about honor because in the USA where, as you say, honor is only in second place among mafiosi, there have been far less innocent mafia victims. Mafia "honor" = massacres of innocents Well...yes. And I agree with you. The special honor and respect is not limited only with the mafiosi though. It´s a culture that has been rooted among the sothern Italians for many hundreds of years. Vendettas and clan feuds are extremely common in these parts. But also in parts of Montenegro and southern part of Serbia (Kosovo). As westerners, we find this "culture" hard to comprehend. But it has been a part of their life styles for many, many years.
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 05:29 PM
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But I don't think that clan fueds are to be drawn among ethnic lines. Irish Catholics have blood fueds ( and not just the Travellers), Glasgow Scots, East End Londeners, Liverpudlians, among the poorer Dutch and German communities, French Canadians, Rednecks in Texas,...there have been clan and family feuds in all of those groups. Maybe not as deeply rooted as in the communities you mentioned, but they still exist.
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Re: camorra boss shot dead at the beach!
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08/24/12 10:00 PM
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At some point all of this killing has to get in the way of business, and life in general. It seems, at least from an outside view, to be endemic to the Camorra moreso than the other OC groups. Absolutely! These guys hate to draw any attention to themselves, let alone these turf wars. Very bad for business, indeed!! lol
Last edited by carmela; 08/24/12 10:02 PM.
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