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Re: Why Johnny Lied to Pauile About Carmine?
[Re: Wudstock]
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06/11/14 07:13 PM
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Johnny Sac was s slick, treacherous, streetwise guy. By keeping Paulie on the string,not only did he have a stream of useful info,but he also had a guy who would have done anything to step into Tony's place. I believe that Johnny had several contingency plans to insure his elevation to Boss.
One of them may have been "Paulie wants to be the new Soprano Boss,and he's enough of a backstabbing, selfish prick to kill Tony if he thinks Carmine will back him for the big seat. As stupid as he is,if I can get him to betray Tony,then I'll whack Carmine and maybe Brainless the Second,and become the Boss of two Families".
From Paulie's conversation with Johnny,I get the feeling that while he way have drawn the line at actually killing Tony himself,he would not have interfered with a Lupertazzi based hit. He would have kept his mouth shut,let Tony get killed,and then after becoming the new Boss(in his mind),would counsel the Soprano Family to make peace and accept Tony's death as strictly business,not personal.
Then as the newly anointed Boss,he would usher in a Golden Age of prosperity and co-operation with the Sacrimoni Family and go down as a great Don.
This is how nuts I believe Paulie was.
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Re: Why Johnny Lied to Pauile About Carmine?
[Re: Wudstock]
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06/12/14 07:52 PM
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Paulie as Boss would have been a disaster, look how he handled the Lawn Cutting Business. He very nearly got Ralphie killed over BS...With the amount of jabbering he does, the Feds wouldn't need a wiretap.
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Re: Why Johnny Lied to Pauile About Carmine?
[Re: Lou_Para]
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06/15/14 02:56 AM
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afriendofours
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Paulie might have moved slow but thats only because Paulie Walnuts didn't need to move for anybody.
Funny reference. I prefer to think that Paulie moved slow,because his brain was barely functional enough to power his legs. Lol, you ever wonder why them Russian leaders live so long ? They take a schvitz everyday. Why don't you want to take your clothes off ? Ive got high blood pressure you fuckin idiot, i could check the fuck out. My doctor mentioned steam and sauna specifically as no no's!
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Re: Why Johnny Lied to Pauile About Carmine?
[Re: Mark]
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07/02/14 12:09 PM
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I think Johnny was using Paulie's need to be in favor against him. Paulie appeared to be desperate and Johnny played him like a violin to make him think Carmine would welcome him in the NY family if Paulie wanted. Johnny just used Paulie for info plain & simple - IMO. Johnny Sack had done the same thing with Ralphie in Season 3, particularly after Ralphie killed Tracee. Johnny was feeding a line to Ralphie that Tony wanted to talk, when Tony had no real interest in doing so. Then Johnny turns around and feeds Tony a line about promoting Ralphie to capo (but posing it as Ralphie's idea rather than his own). In the end, Ralphie winds up getting promoted and proves himself to be a good earner on the Esplanade project, so Johnny had to go find another weak link in the Jersey family. Of course, it's not to say that Johnny was being used from time to time -- Tony/Hesh used him when Junior wanted to tax Hesh $500K, and Junior used Johnny when Tony/Gigi wanted to have Bobby Bacala, Sr. make the Mustang Sally hit.
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Re: Why Johnny Lied to Pauile About Carmine?
[Re: DonMega1888]
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07/17/14 10:34 PM
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Pauline face is priceless, when he meets carmine and relieves he's been f***ed over by johnny Then he freaks out, figures he has to kick up some cash quickly, and has to rob (and kill) Minn Matrone to do so. Not the best thought out plan there, Paulie.
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