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Why do people dig SCARFACE? #46157
10/19/04 07:08 AM
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I dig the hell out of the movie like many of you do as well, but lets discuss why after 21 years, the movie is still "dug"?

I mean is it the dialogue? Pacino's over-the-top performance? Tony Montana's gutsy and ballsy personna?

Re: Why do people dig SCARFACE? #46158
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I love it because of just the character Tony Montana as well as Pacino's extraordinary performance!

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There are very few good gangster films. It is the best one and needfs to be kept alive.


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Re: Why do people dig SCARFACE? #46160
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Not to mention I think SCARFACE is the best gangster/mob movie of the 1980's.

Re: Why do people dig SCARFACE? #46161
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yeah its one the best its in the top 5


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Personally, I like the movie because its entertaining. Its a cool movie. Pacino was great, and Tony is like cool in a bad guy kinda way.

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Entertaining film that doesnt get old. Thats why I like it orange


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Scarface definetly got old after 5 or 6 viewings, but it's still in my top 10 personal favorites. It's a tale of the American Dream, which many kids look for today. Unfortuantely, a lot of the youth are trying to be like Tony and think selling drugs and getting money is everything. It's what it's coming to. -Pat


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Re: Why do people dig SCARFACE? #46165
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Not to mention alot of these rappers digging the movie, yet they apparently from what I have seen in the vast majority miss the point of the movie.

Yes Tony Montana got the American Dream basically. He got the hot trophy wife, a huge mansion, multi-millionaire, sports cars, top-money suits, and a large criminal empire...yet truely this victory is hollow when he realizes its not all its cracked up to me, by the end of the film as he ultimately destroys everything he fought to accomplish.

However, these materialistic "gangsta rappers" seem to actually miss this point but whatever.

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I tried watching the rapper documentary on the DVD, but I couldnt get therough 5 minutes. Those guys are looking up to Tony as if he were some sort of God. eek I think that is more of a threat the them thar terrorists across the ocean. rolleyes


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ewww the def jam stuff, I cant watch that for a long time either, cuz I dont care is P diddy or whatever his name is love the movie and watched like 1000 times, plus I dont see the movie like a rap icon anyway, so for me is a waste of time and dvd space lol.


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Re: Why do people dig SCARFACE? #46168
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I agree with Angie. Instead of putting the documentary on the low-lives who thinks its cool to sell drugs to put "food on the table". Its ridiculous. And that crap about that rapper Scarface "I took that name because that was me, blah, blah." Please, that is soooo original ohwell . Sorry, that was just a little much wasn't it? tongue

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Scarface was a gangsta. Most of the rappers were gangstas before they came to being rappers. Rappers = relate to Scarface more then anyone. -Pat


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IT'S a rags to riches story and every body love
that.

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Originally posted by Patrick:
Scarface was a gangsta. Most of the rappers were gangstas before they came to being rappers. Rappers = relate to Scarface more then anyone. -Pat
Are you refferring to the Rapper Scarface? Or to the Tony Montana Character Scarface?


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Re: Why do people dig SCARFACE? #46172
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[b] Scarface was a gangsta. Most of the rappers were gangstas before they came to being rappers. Rappers = relate to Scarface more then anyone. -Pat
Are you refferring to the Rapper Scarface? Or to the Tony Montana Character Scarface?


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I am referring to both. Tony Montana was a gangsta who went from a nobody to a millionare. Scarface (rapper) and many other rappers were born in horrible places and pretty much forced to join a gang and sell drugs or be independent and most likely die. Scarface (rapper) still lives in the ghetto actually. They had him on cribs. His house is in the projects in Baltimore. -Pat


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OK Pat, I see the analogy that you are trying to make. You gotta forgive this old man for not being to into the rapper scene! grin


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Fugetaboutit. cool


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Okay, I idolize Scarface because I am white and poor and moved from house to house from the time I was probably 5 months old. I am also a rapper rolleyes . It is so stupid. Basically, these rappers are bragging about the fact they were low-life jerks idolize Scarface because that used to be them. That is ridiculous to me and the documentary shouldn't be on there. Someone could get the wrong message, like so many of the "white America" today and think its condoning the behavior. People idolize movies for the wrong reasons. Whatever happened to liking a movie because it was entertaining? Because you liked the way it was made? Isn't that why most movies are made, for the entertainment value?

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No one should be "idolizing" these characters from these kind of movies! You are right when you say that we should enjoy a movie becasue it was well made, etc. What I think happens, especially to many young people, is that many people wind up idolizing these characters for all the wrong reasons. This is not a knock on the young people, as I am not generalizing you all, but some are just not mature enough to discern thier feelings for a movie character of this caliber. This is true of some imature older people too. What happens is that I believe that we ALL see a character like Tony Montana taking what he wants in life, and climbing to the top and living in the fast lane. We all would love to be successful in our lives in a short time. People get caught up emotionally with the character sometimes because deep down inside they may feel that they wish that they had the nerve to do and act certain ways to obtain with they want in life at a fast pace. But most of us, when we leave that movie theater realize that we cannot go around stepping all over people, killing, maiming and stealing anything that we wamt. We remember that we must work honestly and hard in life for what we want out of life and should not take short cuts to get thier at the expense of others. This idolizing by these rappers scares me because it sends the wrong message to the young people who idolize the rappers themselves. This is why we should never idolize anyone with fame, whether they are a movie character, or a real life entertainer. As DeNiro told young Collagio in Bronx Tale, and it is definately one of my favorite parts of the movie, that the working man is the tough guy, he gets up day after day to earn a living. Thats a real tough guy, etc. etc. Scarface is a movie character, but if anyone really wants to idolize him for the way that he lived life and for his quick success in America, Don't forget how it all ended for him! That kind of ending of that life is the reality of the story!


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i agree with everything you just posted, don cardi. i never know how to put things down in writing.


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it was a movie that came out in a time that those things were going on and we remember it today especially here in miami because it is a part of history. even if the movie was made up there were cubans like Tony Montana


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Don Cardi. You just described me, when i were younger and saa the movie first time. You are completley rigth with everything you are saying. At the time i saa SF first i simply wasent mature enough to take it as a movie. I looked up to tony and wanted to be like him. Today i see it in a complete difrent way. The working man is no fool, he truely is the real hero. Anyone could kill people and live the easy way. Thats easy for everybody. But getting up at work every morning, now thats what makes a man, a man. So my advise to young people that se Tony as a hero..Forgetaboutit... he was a freaked up psycho doing cocain... is that really the way you wanna end your life.. Not me.


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Underneath we all routed for Tony even though he was the proposed "bad guy" we all routed for him to come out on top! With every year that passes Scarface has become a cult classic among movie genre's of all kinds. Because with every year someone somewhere can relate to Tony. He was uneducated, a product of his government who fled to America for something better. He drove himself to succeed at the one thing he was really good at, being the bad guy, a drug dealer. He saw the woman of his dreams and married her, his mother hated him and his sister was the only pure and good thing in his life. Its not only the whole story in itself that makes us fall in love with it but the memorable balls to the wall lines you can never forget!

Manolo- you should be happy with what you have
Tony- well i want more than that, i want what's coming to me
Manolo- oh really well what's that?
Tony- The world chico, and everything in it.

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i honestly like scarface because it's entertaining. in all honesty it isn't an oscar winning movie. and the acting is all over the top. but that's what's lovable about it. it's like the original star wars movies. they aren't exactly oscar worthy movies, but they sure as hell kept you at the edge of your seat throughout the whole movie.

about looking up to tony: it's rediculus. it's like trying to look up to vito corleone or mike corleone. no doubt they were both terrific people, especially vito, but in they end they killed people for their money. it's blood money. that life is not worth it. i would rather have a small happy home, then a large unhappy one filled with fear and doubt.

thanks for letting me rant. lol


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