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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Why does the Justice Department seem to go after only Italian organized crime with such zeal? You don't see the same full force intensity set against Russian or Asian or Latino organized crime groups or the Cartels; It almost seems like a form of discrimination. I can not explain even to me why this is so... If i see how many years someone have to spend behind bars it's incredibly. Here in Europe we still have human rights 
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Why does the Justice Department seem to go after only Italian organized crime with such zeal? You don't see the same full force intensity set against Russian or Asian or Latino organized crime groups or the Cartels; It almost seems like a form of discrimination. Probably because federal law enforcement has over the decades developed the resources to go after Mafiosi, but have not yet develped sufficient respurces to prosecute other ethnic gangs at the same level.
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Why does the Justice Department seem to go after only Italian organized crime withaug such zeal? You don't see the same full force intensity set against Russian or Asian or Latino organized crime groups or the Cartels; It almost seems like a form of discrimination. Because those minorities groups can hide behind their culture more then the Italians. The feds have Binders I mean Binders full of Mafiosi just like Mitt Romney has Binders of women !
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Criminals? Criminals in what way, Because "The Law" say it is illegal does that mean we HAVE to go along with what they say. They make a good living. Well, if you break the law like that, then you have to accept that law enforcement will come after you, whether you're Italian or Asian or whatever. I doubt the FBI would've chased down John Gotti if he had been a simple cab driver or dress maker. It has nothing to do with being Italian; that's a lame excuse that the mob guys made up to make it seem like they were being unfairly picked on.
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Criminals? Criminals in what way, Because "The Law" say it is illegal does that mean we HAVE to go along with what they say. They make a good living. Well, if you break the law like that, then you have to accept that law enforcement will come after you, whether you're Italian or Asian or whatever. I doubt the FBI would've chased down John Gotti if he had been a simple cab driver or dress maker. It has nothing to do with being Italian; that's a lame excuse that the mob guys made up to make it seem like they were being unfairly picked on. As it stands there still the most powerful OC in the states, I think it's becoming a myth that they only go after Italian OC now. I would still say Black guys guilty or not guilty face the most discrimination by the police and government. That is a lame excuse. A lot of different enthnic grou[s break the laws in different ways on different levels.I've been in court the past 3 years a fair share of times and I will for the most part always wear a suit and tie me and so does my dad ... A majority of the black guys where a looney tunes shirt with their jeans sagging off their ass not giving a shit. In the winter time instead of wearing a peacoat they have a wool jacket with spray paint on it with RIP Big Homie ..o pay homage to one their homies  I'm not saying you need to dress up for court but just a matter of respect for the civil servants as well as your attorney..The charges how bad are they and want evidence do they have. If your a high profile guy that the feds have a stick up their ass like the ligmabi case they are getting screwed
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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it is right that the state punishes those who break the law, regardless of their ethnicity, but I think it is true that La Cosa Nostra has been for decades the most powerful criminal organization of the United States, which has played a decisive role in the import of heroin etc. but the Italians represent only 6% of the U.S. population, blacks 14.1%, Latinos 16.7%, so it is more likely to commit crimes is a Latino or black, and in popular culture an Italian equal to a mobster. Now it is clear that it is one thing to deal with LCN, which is another with black and Latino gangs, such as MS13 or Crips or Bloods. So I think the American state should no longer focus on Latinos and blacks that control the sale of drugs and commit more murders in a year that the mafia in decades.
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Why the Italians?!?!Well almost every1 in the world thinks that organized crime comes from Italy,Sicily and in the past italian crime figures showed that they are the most organized in White Collar Crime and other crimes too.They used to put or assassinate presidents,sentaros and god knows what else,on the mafia's choise,and not only in the country they live in,but in other countries too,its only business.No1 needs another Frank Costello,Momo Giancana or in worst case,Toto Riina.I think these days the most closest organization to LCN,Camorra... are the Yakuza and the Russian "businessmen"
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Racketeering doesn't harm anyone, It is protection from fools and idiots in the area. People who cause damage and money is the price for protection. But remember what happens if somebody refuses this "protection"? As for the murders, I really don't think that EVERYBODY who is in that life deserves to die. Some small-time associates who are not too deep into this may still become normal people. If a mafia boss decides to have one of them killed just because he has been "disrespectful" or became a "rat", then what's the problem with this boss getting a life sentence? I think he fully deserves this.
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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It would be nice if they went after the Russian crime groups with the same insistence, I hate them since they make my country look bad and often provoke stereotypical prejudices among western people. It would be great if they kidnapped Semion Mogilevich like they did with Noriega. If they went after these guys with the same insistence,first they have to deal with the high Russian government(wich means war),after that they can deal with the criminals.The problem with Russian O.C. groups is that they r more into white collar crime,they r deep into politics,deep into international nuclear weapons and drugs trafficking so...its very hard to get em.
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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in the states the government goes after russians or ex-soviet groups in general, they go after everyone it's not like they focus on a specific group Dont know maybe youre right,but all i know is that every time i turn on the news on the internet all i see is italian faces in handcuffs.As for the Russian crime groups belive me they dont care much bout the U.S.,they own half of Europe and half of the eastern continent..
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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It would be nice if they went after the Russian crime groups with the same insistence, I hate them since they make my country look bad and often provoke stereotypical prejudices among western people. It would be great if they kidnapped Semion Mogilevich like they did with Noriega. If they went after these guys with the same insistence,first they have to deal with the high Russian government(wich means war),after that they can deal with the criminals.The problem with Russian O.C. groups is that they r more into white collar crime,they r deep into politics,deep into international nuclear weapons and drugs trafficking so...its very hard to get em. In terms of white collar crime the Russians are THE major superpower in Europe. In terms of drug trafficking there are a lot of other groups that are far more powerful than the Russians. The white collar groups and the groups smuggling nuclear weapons are also very much different from the Russian groups involved in drug trafficking, extortion and prostitution
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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As for the Russian crime groups belive me they dont care much bout the U.S.,they own half of Europe and half of the eastern continent.. russians are among the strongest groups but they don't own half of europe Dont know maybe youre right,but all i know is that every time i turn on the news on the internet all i see is italian faces in handcuffs because italian organized crime groups in the states are more active than russian one
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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Russia remains THE biggest supplier of natural gas and a major supplier of crude oil in Europe,so...the russian mob is deep into the gas business and secretly own's a whole chain of the most expensive hotels in eastern europe,construction and god knows what else..... I think i have to add this.. http://www.kyivpost.com/content/business...?flavour=mobile
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Re: Why the ITALIANS?
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I think the problem is the western world doesn't yet know the mafia from the former Soviet countries well, they have no experience yet, just like the situation with the Italia mafia in the 30s. Just to make an example: when some years ago some Russian gangsters were arrested in Spain, everybody claimed they belonged to the Tambovsoko-Malyshevskaya criminal group. The problem is the Tambovskaya and the Malyshevskaya are not only different groups, but are also sworn enemies. Saying "Tambovsko-Malyshevskaya criminal group" is like saying "Nazi-Jewish political party". They will learn with time, of course, but by then the Russian mafia probably will be already weaker and will leave its place to other groups. The law enforcement is always too late.
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