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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Wilson]
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Wilson]
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11/19/12 05:57 PM
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This is the problem, the characters that end the series are very different from the ones that started the series. Some call it and evolution of a character, or a character arch, others think David Chase wanted to punish these characters.
If it were Paulie from season 1, i think there is potential for him as a decent boss. Paulie from season 3-6.2 would be a disaster. The family would be eaten alive by New York, if they don't rot from the inside first.
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Wilson]
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01/07/13 07:26 PM
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Paulie as boss? It'd be a disaster! Some guys are just born to be nothing but enforcers their whole lives, and he is one of them. Not much in the brains department to be honest. He was too insecure also. He had this childlike idolization with Tony. He wanted his every approval and kind words every time.
Must've been hard for Paulie to know how his aunt, (who turned out to be his mom) got knocked up by a guy named Russ. In some ways I even think he saw a father figure in Tony even though Tony was old enough to be his son.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: JCrusher]
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01/19/13 01:15 AM
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If Sil made a full recovery, I think he woulda made an excellent boss, prob better than Tony I mean tony wasnt a great boss either but he would be much better than paulie How come you dont think Tony was a good boss? What do you think his flaws were? I dont think he was a GREAT boss, but I do think he was a good boss IMO
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Benny_Eggs]
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01/19/13 09:57 AM
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If Sil made a full recovery, I think he woulda made an excellent boss, prob better than Tony I mean tony wasnt a great boss either but he would be much better than paulie How come you dont think Tony was a good boss? What do you think his flaws were? I dont think he was a GREAT boss, but I do think he was a good boss IMO I don't think Tony was a good boss either imo there's lots of reasons i can't be bothered listing them right now but for one he passed up his biggest earner (Ralphie) for capo.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Wilson]
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To be fair, Ralphie was scum. And had his homosexual tendencies been made public, a war with NY would've come a lot sooner. Tony was a good boss in the beginning, insulating himself from the law, and making Junior the front boss (though Junior didn't know it). He handled the civil war between he and Junior well. But it pretty much all started to crumble from there. His first mistake was whacking the wrong guy when he ordered for Jimmy Altieri to be clipped. He had suspicion that Pussy was the rat all along, but due to his undying friendship, he didn't want to make a move until he got some god given sign or some shit. A good boss would've listened to the cop on the payroll the first time he mentioned Pussy being a rat. He got comfortable after killing Jimmy, Pussy just continued to feed information to the feds.
He killed Ritchie Aprile. Ritchie came home, and all his complaints were valid, to me anyway, he just wanted what he was entitled to, but with Jackie dying, everything fell under Tony & Juniors control, and Junior just being a front, Tony was too greedy to give Ritchie what belonged to him. On the other hand, Ritchie was too smart for his own good. But still..
He always made his most trusted guys feel like they were lesser people than him. Bobby, Chris, even Furio. Furio could've killed Tony, but he didn't, he was too loyal, he was one of Tony's best enforcers, you suspect the guy has feelings for your wife, which Furio never acted on, you make an example of him. Not run him off back to Italy, or whatever they did to him.
Killing his own cousin. He basically did too much to try to appease to NY. Which in all actuality proved to be his downfall. I mean, I'm sure there were other NY families other than the Lupertazzi's. Like Butch said, you cut the head off the snake and do business with whatever's left. But not Tony, he bent over backwards for NY.
Basically, I don't think he could ever handle the power.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
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01/19/13 07:37 PM
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To be fair, Ralphie was scum. And had his homosexual tendencies been made public, a war with NY would've come a lot sooner. Tony was a good boss in the beginning, insulating himself from the law, and making Junior the front boss (though Junior didn't know it). He handled the civil war between he and Junior well. But it pretty much all started to crumble from there. His first mistake was whacking the wrong guy when he ordered for Jimmy Altieri to be clipped. He had suspicion that Pussy was the rat all along, but due to his undying friendship, he didn't want to make a move until he got some god given sign or some shit. A good boss would've listened to the cop on the payroll the first time he mentioned Pussy being a rat. He got comfortable after killing Jimmy, Pussy just continued to feed information to the feds.
He killed Ritchie Aprile. Ritchie came home, and all his complaints were valid, to me anyway, he just wanted what he was entitled to, but with Jackie dying, everything fell under Tony & Juniors control, and Junior just being a front, Tony was too greedy to give Ritchie what belonged to him. On the other hand, Ritchie was too smart for his own good. But still..
He always made his most trusted guys feel like they were lesser people than him. Bobby, Chris, even Furio. Furio could've killed Tony, but he didn't, he was too loyal, he was one of Tony's best enforcers, you suspect the guy has feelings for your wife, which Furio never acted on, you make an example of him. Not run him off back to Italy, or whatever they did to him.
Killing his own cousin. He basically did too much to try to appease to NY. Which in all actuality proved to be his downfall. I mean, I'm sure there were other NY families other than the Lupertazzi's. Like Butch said, you cut the head off the snake and do business with whatever's left. But not Tony, he bent over backwards for NY.
Basically, I don't think he could ever handle the power. What homosexual tendencies did Ralph have? Am i forgetting something or did you mean Vito ?
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Camarel]
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01/19/13 07:48 PM
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To be fair, Ralphie was scum. And had his homosexual tendencies been made public, a war with NY would've come a lot sooner. Tony was a good boss in the beginning, insulating himself from the law, and making Junior the front boss (though Junior didn't know it). He handled the civil war between he and Junior well. But it pretty much all started to crumble from there. His first mistake was whacking the wrong guy when he ordered for Jimmy Altieri to be clipped. He had suspicion that Pussy was the rat all along, but due to his undying friendship, he didn't want to make a move until he got some god given sign or some shit. A good boss would've listened to the cop on the payroll the first time he mentioned Pussy being a rat. He got comfortable after killing Jimmy, Pussy just continued to feed information to the feds.
He killed Ritchie Aprile. Ritchie came home, and all his complaints were valid, to me anyway, he just wanted what he was entitled to, but with Jackie dying, everything fell under Tony & Juniors control, and Junior just being a front, Tony was too greedy to give Ritchie what belonged to him. On the other hand, Ritchie was too smart for his own good. But still..
He always made his most trusted guys feel like they were lesser people than him. Bobby, Chris, even Furio. Furio could've killed Tony, but he didn't, he was too loyal, he was one of Tony's best enforcers, you suspect the guy has feelings for your wife, which Furio never acted on, you make an example of him. Not run him off back to Italy, or whatever they did to him.
Killing his own cousin. He basically did too much to try to appease to NY. Which in all actuality proved to be his downfall. I mean, I'm sure there were other NY families other than the Lupertazzi's. Like Butch said, you cut the head off the snake and do business with whatever's left. But not Tony, he bent over backwards for NY.
Basically, I don't think he could ever handle the power. What homosexual tendencies did Ralph have? Am i forgetting something or did you mean Vito ? Ralph liked to have his girls put objects in his ass and enflict pain on him to get him off. I know they showed Janice doin him in the ass and Rosalie Aprile and the Cuban Goomah Tony Stole from him both mentioned this at one point on the show.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: kiladelphia_pistolvania]
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01/19/13 08:01 PM
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To be fair, Ralphie was scum. And had his homosexual tendencies been made public, a war with NY would've come a lot sooner. Tony was a good boss in the beginning, insulating himself from the law, and making Junior the front boss (though Junior didn't know it). He handled the civil war between he and Junior well. But it pretty much all started to crumble from there. His first mistake was whacking the wrong guy when he ordered for Jimmy Altieri to be clipped. He had suspicion that Pussy was the rat all along, but due to his undying friendship, he didn't want to make a move until he got some god given sign or some shit. A good boss would've listened to the cop on the payroll the first time he mentioned Pussy being a rat. He got comfortable after killing Jimmy, Pussy just continued to feed information to the feds.
He killed Ritchie Aprile. Ritchie came home, and all his complaints were valid, to me anyway, he just wanted what he was entitled to, but with Jackie dying, everything fell under Tony & Juniors control, and Junior just being a front, Tony was too greedy to give Ritchie what belonged to him. On the other hand, Ritchie was too smart for his own good. But still..
He always made his most trusted guys feel like they were lesser people than him. Bobby, Chris, even Furio. Furio could've killed Tony, but he didn't, he was too loyal, he was one of Tony's best enforcers, you suspect the guy has feelings for your wife, which Furio never acted on, you make an example of him. Not run him off back to Italy, or whatever they did to him.
Killing his own cousin. He basically did too much to try to appease to NY. Which in all actuality proved to be his downfall. I mean, I'm sure there were other NY families other than the Lupertazzi's. Like Butch said, you cut the head off the snake and do business with whatever's left. But not Tony, he bent over backwards for NY.
Basically, I don't think he could ever handle the power. What homosexual tendencies did Ralph have? Am i forgetting something or did you mean Vito ? Ralph liked to have his girls put objects in his ass and enflict pain on him to get him off. I know they showed Janice doin him in the ass and Rosalie Aprile and the Cuban Goomah Tony Stole from him both mentioned this at one point on the show. That's right, i forgot all about that.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: kiladelphia_pistolvania]
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01/19/13 11:58 PM
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Jimmy wasn't a rat. At least to my knowledge, He got picked up along with Pussy, he had a gun rap. But he would've gotten less time, Pussy was wrapped up in a heroine charge, and he couldn't take the time because of his kids. I forget the cops name but the cop told Tony it was Pussy the first time. Tony didn't believe it, he knew Jimmy got arrested along with Pussy and asked the cop was he sure, then the cop began to question himself because all he knew was that the rat was a heavyset Italian with black hair. The cop said he'll get the files and find out if it was Pussy or Jimmy. Then he got arrested in the cathouse along with Raymond, and a couple of hookers. Before the cop could get the file, it was suspected he had ties to Tony's crew due to the arrest, thus losing his job and he took a header off the bridge, killing himself.
Tony never really found out who it was. But he assumed it was Jimmy due to his trust in Pussy and Jimmy asking questions about the Espanade (I think it was). The producers never really implied Jimmy was a rat, other than his snooping, but that was him being greedy and wanting a bigger cut of whatever operation they were working out, as opposed to wearing a wire. Pussy had been the rat all along.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Philip_Lombardo]
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02/28/13 11:38 PM
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1. JIMMY ALTIERI WAS A RAT BECAUSE JUNIOR SAID HE WAS A RAT
2. Patsy probably rose up to head of Raymonds crew making his extortion in North Ward so here's my reckoning Patsy would have took over For the third time, Jimmy wasn't a rat. Junior didn't call Jimmy a rat until Season two when Jimmy was already dead. He wouldn't of known anyway, as he wasn't the real boss, and information went through Tony first before it even got to Junior. They simply got it wrong, like I said before "two fat fucks with black hair", the cop told Tony it was Pussy all along, but killed himself before he could confirm it. Sil told Tony the cop was in debt to Pussy, which could be reason why he'd lie, which influenced Tony's decision. He didn't want to believe his best friend was a snitch and told the feds everything. The confirmation that Jimmy wasn't a rat came in the very first or second episode of Season Two. When Pussy's handler is driving him home after his back operation and he's asking Pussy if Tony knows he's back yet and Pussy lies and says he hadn't seen him yet, even though he showed up to Tony's house. His handler is coming down on Pussy telling Pussy that he needs to gather some real info on Tony and not bullcrap, and telling Pussy not to feel sorry for Tony because he tried killed his own mother and doesn't even trust Pussy like he used to and he passed Pussy over for Underboss. The guy then says "Jimmy Alteri ate the pill for you". Meaning, Jimmy was sacrificed for the sake of Pussy staying alive and being able to gather more information.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: SinatraClub]
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The guy then says "Jimmy Alteri ate the pill for you". Meaning, Jimmy was sacrificed for the sake of Pussy staying alive and being able to gather more information. That doesn't exactly prove that Jimmy wasn't a rat. All that implies is that Pussy's handler knew that Tony and the rest were suspecting a rat especially when both of them got out easy, but figured Tony assumed when Jimmy went that they had got the rat and there was no need to keep fishing. The thing is, Jimmy was asking a lot of questions about operations and not just to get in on them, he wanted very in depth details of what was going down.
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Wilson]
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that 1st part was me quoting al pacino from donnie brasco as a joke just for your info
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Re: Paulie would become the head boss of the family.
[Re: Philip_Lombardo]
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It was never shown that Jimmy was not a rat... but he also was never shown to definitely be one either... I got the feeling that he was.
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