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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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02/16/13 11:58 PM
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if the new york families were so strong then why are there so many rats? Rats are certainly one criteria to judge a family's strength but not the only one. The Colombos are 4 times the size of the Outfit, for instance. do you have a giant telescope that lets you see into chicago? Yeah, it's made up of indictments and reports indicating the current state of the family. you don't even know what towns the syndicate operates in but u know so much about what's going on in the chicago area. the new york mobs are full of cooperators and don't have a monopoly on crime anymore so how are they so powerful . And keep in mind that even in New York far more members don't flip than do. The guys that flip just get more attention. The NY families are still the strongest, as they've always been and always will be, because they're the largest, most active, most diversified, most expansive, etc. how can you judge activity if you don't know certain particulars? and you're a goddamn idiot if you think the italians aren't involved in construction in chicago, or that they don't contracts. the difronzos had a company that were rehabbing or doing something around those lines with the chicago public school system illinois is far more of a crooked atmosphere than new york use common sense instead of wishful thinking
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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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02/17/13 12:04 AM
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It's hard to put a label on the Outfit because we know so little about them, even in today's world. None of us can say for sure. But my feeling is that DiFronzo, Andriacchi, D'Amico, and the older guys just don't have the stomach for it anymore. They're probably rich as hell they don't need to bust heads anymore. Whatever they do is out of obligation, but since they aren't making anyone as far we know, it doesn't look like they've set up a structure for the future. I honestly think they're calling it quits
"Don't ever go against the family again. Ever"- Michael Corleone
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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: cookcounty]
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02/17/13 12:21 AM
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how can you judge activity if you don't know certain particulars? Particulars like, as you mentioned, what towns the Outfit operates in. I actually do know a lot of them, from both articles and indictments on the Chicago mob, but I wouldn't need to in order to be aware of the general state of things. and you're a goddamn idiot if you think the italians aren't involved in construction in chicago, or that they don't contracts. the difronzos had a company that were rehabbing or doing something around those lines with the chicago public school system The DiFronzos certainly are involved in construction. They're the first example that always comes up. There's been several news stories on them and the contracts they've gotten in recent years. But there aren't many examples beyond that, though I'm sure some other members and associates also are involved. There actually seems to be more Outfit involvement in the trucking business today than in construction. illinois is far more of a crooked atmosphere than new york Don't equate general corruption in Illionis, or Chicago itself, to the Outfit. use common sense instead of wishful thinking I have no reason to use wishful thinking. I have no dog in this fight. It makes it easy for me to look at this without any bias or agenda.
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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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02/17/13 12:24 AM
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It's hard to put a label on the Outfit because we know so little about them, even in today's world. None of us can say for sure. But my feeling is that DiFronzo, Andriacchi, D'Amico, and the older guys just don't have the stomach for it anymore. They're probably rich as hell they don't need to bust heads anymore. Whatever they do is out of obligation, but since they aren't making anyone as far we know, it doesn't look like they've set up a structure for the future. I honestly think they're calling it quits That would probably be a safe bet. When looking at whoever is running the Outfit today, I don't think it's going to be DiFronzo or Andriacchi. I'm not saying they have lost their "elder statesman" status but, as far as running things, it's going to be whoever filled Sarno's shoes. Just as Sarno filled Marcello's shoes. These were the guys who more directly running the Outfit in recent years.
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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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02/17/13 05:19 AM
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And to think Sarno is only 55; right?!!!
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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02/20/13 02:11 AM
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The Outfit had a ton of busts in the 1980's and 1990's. With some rare exceptions, all of their top guys were imprisoned.
Weird how nobody (well except for you and me haha) ever mentions this. Especially, Strawman and GAMBAT were really big deals that were every bit as devastating as the Commission Case was to New York (actually more so, in terms of reducing the Outfit to the minor leagues). Tony Accardo did a good job of staying out of trouble, but the rest of them pretty much got busted like Colombo leaders have been. I think I'm going to start a thread speculating that Accardo avoided prison by being an informer, just to piss off the fanboys.
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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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02/20/13 03:37 PM
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cookcounty
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how can you judge activity if you don't know certain particulars? Particulars like, as you mentioned, what towns the Outfit operates in. I actually do know a lot of them, from both articles and indictments on the Chicago mob, but I wouldn't need to in order to be aware of the general state of things. and you're a goddamn idiot if you think the italians aren't involved in construction in chicago, or that they don't contracts. the difronzos had a company that were rehabbing or doing something around those lines with the chicago public school system The DiFronzos certainly are involved in construction. They're the first example that always comes up. There's been several news stories on them and the contracts they've gotten in recent years. But there aren't many examples beyond that, though I'm sure some other members and associates also are involved. There actually seems to be more Outfit involvement in the trucking business today than in construction. illinois is far more of a crooked atmosphere than new york Don't equate general corruption in Illionis, or Chicago itself, to the Outfit. use common sense instead of wishful thinking I have no reason to use wishful thinking. I have no dog in this fight. It makes it easy for me to look at this without any bias or agenda. first you say chicago ain't involved in construction now you're claiming they are involved in construction just not much now you know about chicago's trucking industry and it's syndicate ties how far does that telescope see and how much did it cost?
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Re: Today Outfit's real power in Chicago ?
[Re: jonnynonos]
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02/20/13 08:14 PM
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Ivan
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I don't think anyone who knows the first thing about the Outfit would argue that Strawman and Gambat were devastating. Being removed from Vegas and losing their political power base in the First Ward weren't big deals? Seems to me like those were two major factors in turning them into more of a street level operation.
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