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N'dragheta vs. the West African gangs #700507
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who dominates the European Drug Trade between these 2 groups

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West Africans Wtf !?, as in Nigerians or some shit?

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yeah they supposedly control 50 percent of the drug shipments in europe or something from what i hear

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west africans are mostly pusher, they usually dont control the shipments
ndrangheta is much bigger
it's true that sometimes shipments pass through central africa, but they are run by ndrangheta, camorra or other groups, not west africans

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I heard you can buy a kilogram of hashish in Morocco for 300 dollars. Huge profit anywhere else.


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yes in morocco 1 gram of hashish costs 1 euro
in europe 10-15 euros

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That just makes my guts want to become a Hashish Kingpin.


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If we're talking the cocaine trade in Europe, the 'Ndrangheta holds more sway.


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When i saw the title of this thread i thought you guys were talking about an episode of Deadiest Warrior. lol

They all kind of crazy matchups on that show like Somali Pirate's vs The Medellin Cartel.

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Never understood why they called it by the name ''West African gangs'' as they are in about 90% of the time Nigerians coming from two of the country's tribes: the Igbo and the Yoruba.
Nigerians for a long time have indeed acted as pushers, smugglers,...or even as extra muscle on the payroll of the Italian criminal organizations. Independent gangs of Nigerian origin have lately been sprouting up in Italy, Britain,...all over Europe. Britain is open territory and doesn't have a central 'mafia' controlling things. OC there is rather controlled by literally hundreds of smaller groups, indigenous as well as foreign. So in this environment independent Nigerian cells can operate freely. In Italy however, the Nigerian criminal 'independence' has led to violent confrontations with Italian groups -mostly the Camorra. A battle in which the Nigerians till this day never won a game. In the European drugs trade the Italians, and especially the Ndrangheta, definitely has the upper hand.
That's not to say you should underestimate the Nigerians. They're the first type of Sub-Saharan African OC that can be called a major player in the criminal underworld. A long time ago they weren't very violent but nowadays they can be extremely brutal, especially when it comes to the drug trade. Even read stories about them literally drinking the blood of their rivals.

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Re: N'dragheta vs. the West African gangs [Re: FireHawk] #700643
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Nigerian crime groups have a presence in both north and south Italy and involved in mostly drug trade, prostitution , and the fraud of course. They are major players in the smuggling of cocaine and herion into Europe from west Africa and well known for joint enterprise with nearly any other organized crime group from the columbian drug cartel to Italy's crime syndicates. In a southern Italy city a conflict emerged between a Camorra clan and a Nigerian group due to the nigerians refusing to pay tax/dues. Results were 6 innocents were killed and the local African population went into a riot. But despite this tgere seem to be some kind of agreement between the two and they have most of the prostitution racket to themselves.


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nigerians are quite strong worlwide, but they are not even close to italian mafias in europe, they are just mules or pusher at most
the shipments are run by bigger group
in south italy there are not any independent groups, all the individual criminals work for the mafias or under their umbrella

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Here's the article that shows more insight on the Nigerian crime groups in Italy: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Fitalian-and-nigerian-gangs-a-deadly-alliance-2361393.html&ei=CCsyUfPpEYX28wSNs4CoDg&usg=AFQjCNHDjuANv4H8RUy53BY-ntUCUgn-cw


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i know there are nigerians independent gangs in italy, mostly in turin and genoa, and there are other nigerian gangs in some european cities, but they are mostly mules who takes ovules of heroin and cocaine and work for latin cartels or italian syndicates, from lagos to other places or involved in some little prostitution rackets
never heard they control big shipments of drugs from south america or middle east

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My independent research for the past year and half has been on the Nigerian terrorist group Boko Haram. I used to think Camden, NJ and North Philly were scary at night. Add thugs on mopeds with RPGs and Camden soon looks like Disney World....

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Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
West Africans Wtf !?, as in Nigerians or some shit?


You just made me smile. This reminded me of Bad Boys 2...."You got me up in here with some Haitians...with guns!"


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The is no Nigerian street gang in Italy above (nor equal to) the main Italian OC groups.
As long as their income is weak/low they can get away with it in few cities or in smaller, rural areas. But bare in mind: as soon as their trade gets interesting enough you can be sure that a cumpariello will go knock at their door.

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Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
The is no Nigerian street gang in Italy above (nor equal to) the main Italian OC groups.
As long as their income is weak/low they can get away with it in few cities or in smaller, rural areas. But bare in mind: as soon as their trade gets interesting enough you can be sure that a cumpariello will go knock at their door.


Yeah I call bullshit on the stories about the Albanian and Nigerian gangs taking over the rackets of the Italians. If any Albanian or Nigerian operates on a high level in Italy it's in cooperation with an indigenous Italian clan.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Yeah I call bullshit on the stories about the Albanian and Nigerian gangs taking over the rackets of the Italians. If any Albanian or Nigerian operates on a high level in Italy it's in cooperation with an indigenous Italian clan.


Exactly.
It's the Rudaj Gang all over again: overestimating of something new, hip and unknown.

Another ex. are the Southern American gangs active in cities like Milan and Genoa.
They have been able to get by after understanding how far can they push themselves both money and territory-wise. Plus most of these gangs need Italian OC to set up better deals, purchase better quality stuff and several other perks that only the Italians (on Italian soil) can get you.


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Here's an update on the drug trade involving nigerian crime groups : http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/africa-cartels/


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That's why i stated that nigerian groups are known for forming partnerships with almost any oc groups.


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It involved the Camorra (not the 'Ndrangheta) but of course there was the Castel Volturno shootings back in 2008. Hit men from the Casalesi clan dressed up as police officers and killed 6 West African drug dealers, and injuring one other, who were trying to operate in Casalesi territory.

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Here's an update on the drug trade involving nigerian crime groups : http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/africa-cartels/


that's what i said
nigerians are mostly mules for bigger oc groups and only recently they started to run some little shipments
they don't control any european cities, i don't think there is a so big nigerian community over there
there are just small gangs in that and this european cities at most
and let away italy where nigerians are mafia or camorra puppets, i don't think they are so strong even in some other european country

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Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
West Africans Wtf !?, as in Nigerians or some shit?

yah tony I was in George Bush Intl airport right beside me was flight Lagos.
There sat a nigerian gangster purple suit gold watch pinky ring you know the
type. Dis guys operate openly and wit inpunity

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Nigerian gangs are significant smugglers of cocaine into Europe from West Africa. Yes their are some groups that are mules for the Latin cartels but at the routes to and from West Africa is under their influence.In a Switzerland article it stated that West African gangs "dominate" the cocaine trade. Nigerian population in Europe is large in the U.K, Italy, and a few other countries. And how are they puppets for the Italian crime syndicates? Their is a major difference between working WITH and FOR a group.

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
Nigerian gangs are significant smugglers of cocaine into Europe from West Africa. Yes their are some groups that are mules for the Latin cartels but at the routes to and from West Africa is under their influence.In a Switzerland article it stated that West African gangs "dominate" the cocaine trade. Nigerian population in Europe is large in the U.K, Italy, and a few other countries. And how are they puppets for the Italian crime syndicates? Their is a major difference between working WITH and FOR a group.


Look, Nigerian OC in the United Kingdom is one thing, given that their is no real British Mafia (any longer) that can put them down and, whatever's left of them, are hugely outnumbered by the numbers of Nigerians.

That's not the case for Italian-based Nigerians.
They have to work for Italian criminal groups given the fact that they don't have the power, influence, numbers that Italians have.

Sure, they might be free to do something on the side, extorting their own community, get involved in other small-mid size stuff but, as I've mentioned before, once their booty hits a certain level they'll be reminded that their rent is due.

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Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

Look, Nigerian OC in the United Kingdom is one thing, given that their is no real British Mafia (any longer) that can put them down and, whatever's left of them, are hugely outnumbered by the numbers of Nigerians.


Depends on were they operate. London and the Midlands have become so multicultural that there isn't any central control anymore. The indigenous British crime groups there are not of any significant power anymore. Turks & Kurds, Albanians, Jamaicans, Nigerians, Irish,...can operate freely and without impunity.
The Northwest of England is a different beast however. If a foreign group tries to operate in Merseyside they will have to deal with indigenous organized crime cartels that are just as violent, ruthless and powerful as they are. The few reports on foreign groups setting up shop over there can be deemed off as bullshit. England's Northwest is roughly comparable with Italy's south, Albania's north ( including Kosovo), Ireland's northeast, Corsica, the Caucasus,...in terms of the bandit culture of organized crime that still prevails in the poorer population of these places. You can't trash a culture like that.

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
Nigerian gangs are significant smugglers of cocaine into Europe from West Africa. Yes their are some groups that are mules for the Latin cartels but at the routes to and from West Africa is under their influence.In a Switzerland article it stated that West African gangs "dominate" the cocaine trade. Nigerian population in Europe is large in the U.K, Italy, and a few other countries. And how are they puppets for the Italian crime syndicates? Their is a major difference between working WITH and FOR a group.


i live in europe and i never heard they dominate cocaine, nigerians have not enough money to run drug at highest level
they are mostly mules for bigger groups
and yes, in italy the nigerian gangs are little and weak, puppets of italian oc
i don't know honestly if in other european countries they are more powerful, maybe in france they are something more
but they don't control any european city and probably even any european single neighbourhood
so they are nothing compared to ndrangheta in europe
they are very strong only in africa

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Depends on were they operate. London and the Midlands have become so multicultural that there isn't any central control anymore. The indigenous British crime groups there are not of any significant power anymore. Turks & Kurds, Albanians, Jamaicans, Nigerians, Irish,...can operate freely and without impunity.
The Northwest of England is a different beast however. If a foreign group tries to operate in Merseyside they will have to deal with indigenous organized crime cartels that are just as violent, ruthless and powerful as they are. The few reports on foreign groups setting up shop over there can be deemed off as bullshit. England's Northwest is roughly comparable with Italy's south, Albania's north ( including Kosovo), Ireland's northeast, Corsica, the Caucasus,...in terms of the bandit culture of organized crime that still prevails in the poorer population of these places. You can't trash a culture like that.


My knowledge was based on London alone and that's what I was referring to. I should have specified that.
Thanks for the info anyway, really interesting.

My point was that Milan/Rome/Etc... ain't London. Therefore they (if they reach a certain power) cannot operate freely and without impunity.


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Originally Posted By: m2w
i live in europe and i never heard they dominate cocaine, nigerians have not enough money to run drug at highest level
they are mostly mules for bigger groups
and yes, in italy the nigerian gangs are little and weak, puppets of italian oc
i don't know honestly if in other european countries they are more powerful, maybe in france they are something more
but they don't control any european city and probably even any european single neighbourhood
so they are nothing compared to ndrangheta in europe
they are very strong only in africa


I agree with 99% of what you wrote expect for that.
They are def. not the 'Ndrangheta, nor any other European OC group, but I bet that they indeed control some urban areas of certain EU cities. Not much yes, but a couple of neighborhoods? That I can believe.

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