you keep bringing up comparisons of chicago and new york

so how am i the one who is obsessed with the comparisons?

god knows how many wires are being worn currently in new york

You keep bringing up this guy or that guy that flipped. The whole point of an organized crime family is that it's not dependent on a single guy, even the boss. So, even if the boss flips, and can cause a lot of damage, the family goes on. And like I said before, for all the rats, they are still very much in the minority compared to the guys who don't rat. There's no comparison.

66 rats (made guys) out of thousands doesn't seem to me like "alot of snitches". Like Ivy said, it seems like there are lots of rats cause the rats get tons of attention. I kno there have been many threads about the current state of the outfit, but truth be told, they dont hold all that much power anymore. The weakest of the 5 families (Columbos), are even leaps and bounds more powerful than the outfit. Alot of biased Chicago and Philly people on these boards it seems.

U know cookcounty there's 2high ranking members of the outfit wearing wires rite now to....and have been for20 years.its not just ny.its every family.the outfit ain't that special

I've pointed that out to him a few times too.

you ain't gotta single out one person when the bosses are flipping

They're still very much in the minority. And keep in mind one reason the New York families are going to have more rats is because they have more members to begin with.

Cook County I honestly think you're too thick-skulled to take in that New York maintains a high level disicipline even in this day and age. Oh yeah people are wearing wires as we speak. But if every single member started talking to the feds, they wouldn't even exist right now. Their power far exceeds Chicago.

I mean talk about in one ear and out the other

OK I exaggerated by saying thousands but prob over 1,000. I heard the Gambinos alone had close to 500 made guys at one point. Ivy could prob come up with a pretty accurate #. Nonetheless, how many made guys has the outfit had in its history?? 100 or so?? If that? I know they rely alot on associates.

Estimates prior to the 1980's are very sketchy but one estimate put the Gambinos at around 400 members at their peak. But that was back in the 50's/60's. Still, think about how many NYC mob members have lived in the 50 years since Valachi first testified in 1963. Right now there's at least 700 or so. And that's not counting everyone else who died between now and then. It would be well over 1,000. Maybe twice that many. Needless to say, the number of members who have flipped constitute a very small fraction; though even one guy can do a lot of damage.

Of course, there's also an unknown number of secret informants - guys who feed info to the feds but never openly flipped, testified in court, went into witness protection, etc. But it doesn't do much good to theorize on how many because there's no way to know.

This is like some stupid sports forum. "No! Chicago has a better defense! NYs offense had 32 interceptions last year!" The problem is cookcounty is trying to convince you the black sox will win the superbowl next year....

Exactly. It's this mentality that gave rise to the term "fan boy" here on the forums. Some people are soooo invested in the rep of their hometown crime family. Some Chicago posters most of all. It's bizarre.

Not all of them tho! Marks my man!

why are so many people defending cheese eating rats?

why are so many people bringing up anything about chicago?

chicago ain't got shit to do with people in new york ratting left and right

lool whos more powerful ny or the chicago mob?!! cmon kids break it up!

everyone knows that vermont is the most powerful.

That's EXACTLY what I usually equate these silly arguments to. I mean, you wanna brag on your hometown, that's great. But pick something to actually be proud of .

Really? I thought it was st louis, you know they've been flying under the radar for years. They've been making guys recently, I hear they carry more weight than the colombos. Dem new york guys just keep on eating cheese and snitching left and right

Nobody is defending rats and we're familiar with them. Not exactly news here. It's just that anyone familiar with your posts knows you have an underlying motive here, whether you admit it or not.

anyone familiar with the post in this thread can see blatant rat defending

why do you care about people defending rats for? are you like a criminal or something where snitches have some sort of relevance to your lifestyle?

How do you know that Chicago doesn't have a supply of new men? Is it because the feds haven't posted their names in a news bulletin? Do you live in Chicago? Do you have a relative who was a member there? The F.B.I. is most probably bluffing about having two upper echelon men feeding them information. It's a game they play to make guys on the street insecure and paranoid. Have you ever had a family member arrested by the Feds? Have you ever seen first hand how the feds operate in trying to get information by posting disinformation? Ivy, seriously, in this department about believing whatever the Feds print or say to the public, you are naïve. No offense.

Wow! 68 rats in New York and still counting. I think New York should make some more guys because quantity is all that matters. The only real strong organized Family in New York is the Genovese Family. That is a Family to be respected. The Gambino Family had Junior Gotti as their Boss for awhile? Are you kidding me? What a joke.

You're making the same talking points several other Chicago posters have before. We've been over and over this before. The fact that you have inflated the size of the Chicago Outfit (talk about disinformation!), as well as find it so hard to believe the Outfit could have two high-level informants, shows you likely have the same agenda other Chicago posters have. And while the Outfit may be more disciplined than some of the NY families, that discipline won't save it from general attrition. Even the "rat infested" Colombos will be around long after the Outfit is gone. And I say that simply because it's a fact, not because I'm rooting for any particular family.

Ivy, Shut the Fuck up and don't talk to me about Chicago again. Understand.

How about this. I'll only talk about the real Chicago Outfit. And you can stick to the Chicago Outfit that exists only in your head. Sound like a deal?

Ivy, Doesn't it seem strange to you that at least 3 other knowledgeable people from Chicago two of whom have relatives in the Outfit have told you the same God damn thing? if it's so important to you that the rat infested Colombo Family has a bigger Dick than the Chicago Outfit and will be around a lot longer,and that the structure of Chicago is exactly like new York, then so be it. I don't fucking care what you think because you never lived in it like me. I don't even like the fucking Oufit. all it did was bring misery to some of my relatives. They are generally not nice people. You are naïve and living in a dream world written in a fucking book by some guys who are struggling to understand what they're dealing with. if the Feds said Donald Trump was the Top Boss in the Outfit, you would argue that point until you were in your grave because YOU READ IT IN A BOOK. THE GUY WHO WROTE THE BOOK NEVER LIVED IT. I AM ASKING YOU POLITELY TO NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT THE OUTFIT ANYMORE. Thank You.

Why don't you both put each other on "Ignore"?

THE ONES THAT DON'T , DON'T BECAUSE THEY WINED UP DEAD