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Non-Italian Made Men? #706537
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In all of it's history, has there ever been a non-Italian who was made? I know it was against the rules, you had to be a full blooded Italian, but is their any empirical evidence or anything about this?


"Some of those guys, they didn't go off their blocks. They wouldn't go out of their own neighborhoods-I'm talking for fifty years." - Henry Hill
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Chucky Porter -Pitt and John Veasey-Philly. Is Andrew Campos made?

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Tommy Del- Philly. He was half polish but I don't think it was known until he began cooperating.
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Andrew Campos is half-italian, so is Veasey. The OP was referring to non-italians wink
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Are some of you Philly posters familiar with Louis Campbell? I would love to know more about him. Apparently, he was close to Joseph Rugnetta and some claim he was made. It turns out his mother was Sicilian so the claim doesn´t seem that far fetched. But I have a hard time "accepting" a guy named Campbell being made. But that´s just me...

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Re: Non-Italian Made Men? [Re: BaltimoreSteel69] #706553
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So all that "tracing your ancestry back to the old country (Sicily)" was not real as indicated from Henry Hill?


"Some of those guys, they didn't go off their blocks. They wouldn't go out of their own neighborhoods-I'm talking for fifty years." - Henry Hill
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If you make a lot of maoney or they want you bad enough they will create some type of heritage connection. Andre Campos made millions, John Veasey and Frank Selemme were ruthless and John Gotti Jr isn't he half jewish?
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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
and John Gotti Jr isn't he half jewish?


According to his wiki page Jr's mother was russian on her mothers side but she had an italian last maiden name, DiGiorgio. So i think Jr's mom might of been half italian, anyone know for sure?
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Robert La Puma in Detroit he is half polish.
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There's never been anyone made who didn't at least have some Italian blood. As for made guys who were partially Italian, I've posted the names below before...


Frank "Cadillac Frank" Salemme - New England Boss (Half Irish)
John "Junior" Gotti - Gambino Acting Boss (1/4 Jewish)
John "Jackie" Salemme - New England Acting Boss (Half Irish)
James "Jimmy" Marcello - Chicago Acting Boss (Half Irish)
Charles "Chucky" Porter - Pittsburgh Underboss (Half English/Irish)
Albert "Kid Blast" Gallo - Genovese Captain (Half Irish)
Craig DePalma - Gambino Soldier (Half Jewish)
Andrew "Andy" Campos - Gambino Captain (Half Puerto Rican)
James "Jimmy" Martorano - New England Captain (1/4 Jewish)
Joseph "The Nodder" Sodano - Philadelphia Captain (1/4 Jewish)
Vincent (Filipelli) Philipps - Philadelphia Soldier (1/2 Itailan/1/2 ?)
Joseph "The Beach Bum" Massei - Detroit Captain (Half English)
Joseph "Crazy Joe" Gallo - Colombo Soldier (Half Irish)
Lawrence "Larry" Gallo - Colombo Soldier (Half Irish)
John Veasey - Philadelphia Soldier (Half English/Irish)
Frank Salemme Jr. - New England Soldier (3/4 Irish)
Robert "Bobby the Tiger" La Puma - Detroit Soldier (Half Polish)
Andrew "Andy Knapik" Merola - Gambino soldier

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Re: Non-Italian Made Men? [Re: BaltimoreSteel69] #706692
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Wasn't there a Frank Morales in Philly
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Originally Posted By: southend
Wasn't there a Frank Morales in Philly


Are you thinking of Frank Martines?

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It may seem strange, but Martines is an Italian surname.. the Spanish colonization in Italy has been very strong (In the south Italy and Lombardy in the north) and this surname remained in Italy
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Ivy in all due respect and I mean that sincerely, I have to call bullshit on about half those names, The Gallos, Sodano,Fillipelli, Jimmy Matorano was half Irish half Italian,I have no earthly clue about these Detroit people, and Andy Campos heritage is one of the most worn out discussions on this website, however Im more than willing to believe otherwise though If I saw proof, besides that the rest are spot on

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Uh oh!!! Lol.



Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
Ivy in all due respect and I mean that sincerely, I have to call bullshit on about half those names, The Gallos, Sodano,Fillipelli, Jimmy Matorano was half Irish half Italian,I have no earthly clue about these Detroit people, and Andy Campos heritage is one of the most worn out discussions on this website, however Im more than willing to believe otherwise though If I saw proof, besides that the rest are spot on


"Some of those guys, they didn't go off their blocks. They wouldn't go out of their own neighborhoods-I'm talking for fifty years." - Henry Hill
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
John "Junior" Gotti - Gambino Acting Boss (1/4 Jewish)
Craig DePalma - Gambino Soldier (Half Jewish)
James "Jimmy" Martorano - New England Captain (1/4 Jewish)
Joseph "The Nodder" Sodano - Philadelphia Captain (1/4 Jewish}


Just for the record, unless you're referring to the Hebrew people, you can't be half or 1/4 Jewish as it's only a religion.

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Drives me insane with 1/2 Jewish, 1/4 Jewish! It's a religion!

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another good thread.. i didnt even see it right at first, non italians..I think there are jewish and irish guys who are real good friends with some of these mob guys..And after years of service there are probally a few that get that made status..I think bugsy siegel only one i heard of..
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
There's never been anyone made who didn't at least have some Italian blood. As for made guys who were partially Italian, I've posted the names below before...


Frank "Cadillac Frank" Salemme - New England Boss (Half Irish)
John "Junior" Gotti - Gambino Acting Boss (1/4 Jewish)
John "Jackie" Salemme - New England Acting Boss (Half Irish)
James "Jimmy" Marcello - Chicago Acting Boss (Half Irish)
Charles "Chucky" Porter - Pittsburgh Underboss (Half English/Irish)
Albert "Kid Blast" Gallo - Genovese Captain (Half Irish)
Craig DePalma - Gambino Soldier (Half Jewish)
Andrew "Andy" Campos - Gambino Captain (Half Puerto Rican)
James "Jimmy" Martorano - New England Captain (1/4 Jewish)
Joseph "The Nodder" Sodano - Philadelphia Captain (1/4 Jewish)
Vincent (Filipelli) Philipps - Philadelphia Soldier (1/2 Itailan/1/2 ?)
Joseph "The Beach Bum" Massei - Detroit Captain (Half English)
Joseph "Crazy Joe" Gallo - Colombo Soldier (Half Irish)
Lawrence "Larry" Gallo - Colombo Soldier (Half Irish)
John Veasey - Philadelphia Soldier (Half English/Irish)
Frank Salemme Jr. - New England Soldier (3/4 Irish)
Robert "Bobby the Tiger" La Puma - Detroit Soldier (Half Polish)
Andrew "Andy Knapik" Merola - Gambino soldier


great list!
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Originally Posted By: EastHarlemItal
Drives me insane with 1/2 Jewish, 1/4 Jewish! It's a religion!


jewish is a race as well.
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Originally Posted By: streetbossliborio
Originally Posted By: EastHarlemItal
Drives me insane with 1/2 Jewish, 1/4 Jewish! It's a religion!


jewish is a race as well.


It's not a race! Calling it a nationality is a stretch, it's a religion.

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Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
Ivy in all due respect and I mean that sincerely, I have to call bullshit on about half those names, The Gallos, Sodano,Fillipelli, Jimmy Matorano was half Irish half Italian,I have no earthly clue about these Detroit people, and Andy Campos heritage is one of the most worn out discussions on this website, however Im more than willing to believe otherwise though If I saw proof, besides that the rest are spot on


Apologies for any incorrect info. The list was compiled from different people on the other forum.

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It's not a race! Calling it a nationality is a stretch, it's a religion.


Would you prefer 1/2 Semitic? wink

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Andy catnip is italian.
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Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
Ivy in all due respect and I mean that sincerely, I have to call bullshit on about half those names, The Gallos, Sodano,Fillipelli, Jimmy Matorano was half Irish half Italian,

Big Vince Filipelli in philly was born Vincent Phillips. Ivy was correct.
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Originally Posted By: BaltimoreSteel69
In all of it's history, has there ever been a non-Italian who was made? I know it was against the rules, you had to be a full blooded Italian, but is their any empirical evidence or anything about this?



By non Italian do mean 100%? I thought VEasey was half Italian on his mother's side?
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Originally Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times
By non Italian do mean 100%? I thought VEasey was half Italian on his mother's side?


I think he means guys who had no Italian blood whatsoever. It's fairly common knowledge that a good number of guys have been made who weren't 100% and even some who were only Italian on their mother's side.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I think he means guys who had no Italian blood whatsoever. It's fairly common knowledge that a good number of guys have been made who weren't 100% and even some who were only Italian on their mother's side.

100% non-italian? I can't think of any that were made that weren't at least partially italian. Has there been one?
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
100% non-italian? I can't think of any that were made that weren't at least partially italian. Has there been one?


No, that's what I'm saying. There has never been a guy made who didn't at least have some Italian blood.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: southend
Wasn't there a Frank Morales in Philly


Are you thinking of Frank Martines?


Yes. I knew i was off but also knew that somebody would swoop in and correct me, thanks thats the guy i was talkin about
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