D, it's important to realize that some posters would be really comfortable in 15th century Spain.

or Sodom and Gomorrah....

ST. PAUL, Minn. (TheBlaze/AP) -- In the wake of the 2012 election, many Republican strategists have concluded they simply cannot win as long as they seem so "polarizing." One of the more contentious issues is gay marriage, with those on the left often accusing Republicans of being intolerant. But now, a national group of prominent GOP donors is pouring new money into lobbying efforts to get Republican lawmakers to vote to make gay marriage legal.

American Unity PAC was formed last year to lend financial support to Republicans who bucked the party's longstanding opposition to gay marriage. Its founders are launching a new lobbying organization, American Unity Fund, and already have spent more than $250,000 in Minnesota

Repubs have trouble at the polls not for gay marriage, but I believe for the following top reasons:

1) In cutting deficit spending, they come across as weak on entitlements and benefits to the poor, elderly, medically uninsured etc.
2) Hardline approach to immigration.
3) Warmongering image.

It was only a decade ago that many in the country, including Bush, were pushing for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between a man and woman only. Imagine trying to pass an amendment to our constitution, the institution that is the blueprint of our liberty, which is aimed to restrict and limit freedom. The only time an amendment had been ratified that restricted personal liberty was prohibition, and we all know how that turned out.

The Republicans are slowly getting on board with gay marriage and gay rights because they see the dramatic national rise in support for these issues. They are dealing with a public image of being out of touch with America and behind the times, and opposing marriage equality across the board will be a factor keeping them out of touch.

Excellent point Kly, excellent. Each semester I make your point with my classes.

Careful Oli, Kly might send you a bill for services rendered. Cha-ching!!


TIS

I've stolen enough knowledge from oli over the years that I'll eat the bill.

A gay teacher who said she was fired by an Ohio Catholic school after her mother's published obituary included the name of her partner is fighting to get her job back.

Carla Hale, 57, said she was told she was being let go because her relationship is against teachings of the church.

She plans to file a complaint this week with the city of Columbus, which prohibits firings based on sexual orientation, her attorney said Monday. She already filed a grievance that is now in the hands of a union representing teachers in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus.

http://news.yahoo.com/gay-catholic-school-teacher-ohio-183007702.html

That case is going nowhere. The Church has a First Amendment right to fire her.

Early in his first term, obama stated many times that a marriage is between one man and one woman then changed his tune when he saw the power of the gay vote. "Let me make that crystal clear"
He is clearly a phoney

All politicians are phoneys..

yeah, pretty much

I am no American, so I should keep my mouth shut, but reading this thread reminded me of a scene from West wing, the TV-show. Although it's too tacky for me, especially with the music at the ending, it is some pretty good writing: the Aaron Sorking trick of verbally highly unlikely gifted people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhGk6eF65Fo

It's not about marriage, but still worth watching, I think.

Nice Bush Whack there.
I like the way he wants to paint everyone with the same brush.

Could the answer be: when I noticed that I had certain feelings towards other people?

I love this scene.

I don't know what I love more, the smackdown, or Sam taking her crab puff.

Marriage is meant to be between man and woman. That's it.
Don't you remember Adam & Eve? That's right,Eve. Not Adam & Steve.

we have a new player in the old ball game.

Make sure you wear your cup...

WOW! Originality! Did you make that one up? I have never heard it before.

I've never heard that Adam and Eve were married.

They weren't- They couldn't find a good enough lawyer to draw up a prenup agreement!

In a 5-4 decision the Supreme court has stricken down the Defense of Marriage Act.

Doma is dead. People can marry in California. A great victory for freedom and progress. The Court was 3 out of 4 on the major decisions this year. Wait till Obama replaces one more conservative!

It wouldn't have been legal without witnesses and a license.

It only took the U.S. president and the Governor of California refusing to do their duty to represent their jurisdictions, and 5 corrupt Supreme Court justices, to change the definition of marriage; despite this being decided long ago in relation to polygamy.

Obama's comments particularly made me sick. Funny how he has such of change of heart after he's safely in his second term. And it's funny how not one of the liberal hacks on this board have said one word about it. Or about Clinton's flip flop, for that matter.

That said, I can live with the DOMA decision because it should be left up to the states. Therein, however, the Supreme Court is again being hypocritical. They strike down DOMA because New York state law needed to be respected in the plaintiff's case. And yet they turn right around and snub the will of the people in California with their Prop 8 non-decision. Which, in turn, was originally snubbed by a gay judge. Conflict of interest, anyone?

Hide and watch. Now the judiciary will attempt to overrule each state's right to ban gay marriage. And they'll start by trying to force those states to recognize gay marriages that have taken place in other states. This is how our Constitution will come to "hang by a thread" - through corrupt lawyers and judges. For now, I'm grateful to live in a state like Utah where degeneracy isn't enshrined and wickedness celebrated.


"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" - Isaiah 5:20