Here we go again.



http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/with_approval_of_archbishop_pr.html

This fucking shit again and again and again. Yet the Catholic hierachy (and their traditionalist followes) spends massive amount of energy and talk against Gay Rights initiatives or rooting out heretical priests and nuns, as the Pope is doing now with some American nuns. Just imagine if they spent just an inch of all that effort into actually rooting these vile, evil people from their ranks instead of abetting and covering these assholes up?

I think what disapoints me most is this: Why am I posting this?

We've had many local right wingers keep bringing up gay marriage threads to vent out about how this is being thrown in their face, blah blah garbage. Obviously freedom and progress angers them. But not this shit. Why?

You know its funny reading right-wing blogs sometimes. They vent out Dirty Harry fantasies of how they wish drug dealers, mobsters, rapists, terorrists, and other evil people should be put into a meat grinder or thrown in a hole and lose the key. As a liberal, I'll say this: I can actually relate to that emotion, which my fellow liberals refuse to admit. You want something done, justice to be reaffirmed in the face of lawlessness, evil, tyranny, etc.

But when it comes to the Catholic sex abuse scandals, they're shockingly defeatist. Like oh well, what ya gonna do, right? Nothing can be done. Move along. I'm sorry guys but when such reactions of defeatism and indifference, you tend to give the message that you're appeasing evil. Where is Rush Limbaugh yelling about wanting to lynch them like he does suspected terrorist detainees? (Though to be fair, I want to agree with Kathleen Parker when she said if Rome actually allow women in powerful positions, this shit would be curbed.)

The reason I bring that up is very simple. Fathersson, IvyLeague, the rest of you right wingers you must understand something that might know or are oblivious: This moral abdication is why your side has lost the Culture War on Gay Rights. You might feel better believing its the liberal media agenda or kids following a fad or whatever, but its deep denial of reality.

Its not just the Catholic Church, its several cherished right wing institutions of "moral authority." A powerful emotion of symbolic power that they've really pissed away. The Boy Scouts have been rocked by revealtions that they've covered-up child sex abuse crimes stretching back decades while publicly refusing to allow gays to be scoutmasters because they claim kids will get sexed up. (But they're allowing gay kids in, so that's a start in the right direction.) You have numerous "family values" politicians get busted for adultery and crimes, people involved in Evangelical Christiantism (and those who politically connected) who can't even publicly follow their own values. (Bristol Palin, spokeswoman for Abstinence years back. Enough said.)

But back to my original rant: The Church just doesn't give a damn about solving this problem. What can be done? Is there anything society or governments can do? What church reforms can be enacted from within? In spite of my religious indifference, I want to believe the Church can be a vehicle for great goodness. But when the Justice League is run by Lex Luthor, its fucked.

So you support gay rights and use a homosexual who molested a 6-year old boy to back it up?

Every scandal coming out of church is gay one. No gays=no scandal.

This certainly seems to be his underlying intent. As if anyone who is religious isn't as sickened by this as he is. There's no moral abdication or indifference here. I'm not Catholic so I may not have as much to say regarding the Catholic church as some others here but the pedophilia thing is hardly a basis for the argument ronnierocket is obviously trying to make. Both pedophilia and homosexuality are disgusting and an abomination before God. That's reality, no matter how much secular liberals wish otherwise.

Liberals often like to point out the conservatives who don't live by their own values. But it's not like these same liberals really give any credit to the ones who do. They just attack them for being "narrow-minded, backward, biggots" instead of "hypocrites."

By the way, who said conservatives have lost the culture war on gay rights? Last time I checked, 40 states (that's 80% of them) still don't have gay marriage.

When are you going to realize gays can't help the way they feel? And that homosexuality is so frowned upon in Catholicism that it represses the emotions that these gay priests feel and causes them to act out in despicable ways. Obviously there's more gray area but you get my point. You either allow homosexuality, which we all know isn't going to happen, or root out these fucking pedo bastards which I agree with Ronnie the church doesn't seem keen on addressing.

I'm not saying Rome should change its views, but they must do something about these scandals

A) That's beside the point. And B) They can choose how they act on those feelings.



Agreed.

It's a miracle ivy we agree on something

Miracles never cease. One of these days, ChiTown or Dicknose may actually say something intelligent.

They have before. ChiTown isn't bad at all. DickNose you really gotta scrap through the trash to find a gold nugget. But Dickie knows I love him he's a good man

First off, gays are less likely to be pedophiles than heteros. THAT is a fact. Look it up if you have to.

Notwithstanding, any abuse is inexcusable! It unfortunately happens in ALL walks of life -- but until you can convince me that Catholic priests in particular are MORE susceptible that anyone else, then, I'm not taking the bait.

They seem more likely to be. All the major sex scandals seem to involve gay men. Where did you get that info from?

Look here: http://www.cpiu.us/statistics-2/



Put these two together. 97% of pedophiles are male. Girls are more likely to get molested by 75%. Although it is sick to even attribute a sexual orientation to a pedophile, it seems they are likely males who are interested in underage females. Wanna call them straight and say no straights, no pedophiles?

And BTW, I once said, the fact that priests cannot get a wife, would attract people who are either asexual or homosexual, and that's because gay marriage was not acceptable until very recently. Make it acceptable, don't make gays feel guilty about who they are and see how many would join church to be priests.

It never ceases to amaze me why people who don't want to renounce their sexuality want to become Catholic priests at all? It's not like being a priest gives them riches, power or something.
It reminds be like in China or the Byzantine empire people voluntarily became eunuchs to get political power, but at least power they DID get, while why would anybody today become a priest if disagreeing with the limitations that this status implies?

That statistic is slightly misleading as well because men are less likely to report it, yet here you hear all the time of sex scandals involving female teachers and high school or jr high aged boys.

Of course where there's a priest or a teacher the case would get more media attention. I suppose it's because these people are supposed to be the one protecting the children, but have ended up abusing them. Otherwise when the pedophile is another loser with no respectable job, it goes under the radar and becomes another statistic.

PS: But it can be misleading in one aspect. What's the ratio of straight to gay people? You have to factor that to say if gays are less likely to be pedophiles. Personally I think it takes all kinds.

Because most people want to have sex. They might forgo this urge under many circumstances. One is that their sex life might not be acceptable. Point in case: Gays.

PS: Plus, it might give them the feeling that this degenerate behavior in them, as others call it, gets absolved somehow. Making gays feel guilty about who they are is obviously paying off.

There is a vast difference between pedophilia and homosexuality, just as there would be between pedophilia and heterosexuality. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation re: attraction to one's own sex. There are pedophiles from all walks of life. The reason that many of them are coaches and priests and teachers is because they often choose a career path that will put them in close proximity to children. This way they can work with the children, earn their trust, pick out the weakest and neediest in the pack and then begin to seduce them, first mentally and then physically. It's a grooming process that is quite deliberate, and there's very little chance that they can ever be rehabilitated.

Oh I totally agree when its someone in a position of power they get more media attention, but even if it's not in those situations statistically men will be less likely to report sexual abuse. As far to the second bit about gay vs straight, I think pedos come in all walks of life, gay, straight, black, white, male, female, it makes no difference because its all down to their obsession with children.

Well said, and exactly right, Babe. You pretty much only hear about the caretakers in the news.

And Afs and SF are correct, too, and said better what I meant: Most pedophiles (and ephebophiles) are straight because there are more straight people to begin with.

I say, cut the fucking priests head off. And cut off the other's heads off who cover them up or allow them again to be close to children..

Yeah, I suppose in some situations underage males even think that's some sort of having scored if they have sex with their teacher or some MILF as they put it.

Exactly, I think it's become part of today's culture where it's ok for a younger male to sleep with an older woman, yet it's not ok for an older man to sleep with a younger woman. The issue with that is that in the case of older female younger male, it's no different it's still child abuse and manipulation, but it's seen as if it's almost a good thing.

Part of culture among teenage boys maybe, but to the rest of us that's still statutory rape.

well, the issue with the statuary rape is that it can vary widely from country to country and state to state. there is a point where it becomes a grey area from clear cut statuary to what may or may not be.

Really? Any instances you can point out?

First, I asked him where he got his stats, not you. I would like his source.
Your source does not indicate what sexual orientation of people doing the molesting is, also does not say most are straight. You took a site with a large number of stats, then picked a few to try and twist--you failed, by the way.

Homosexuality is frowned upon by most everyone, a rare exception here and there. Not just religions, by societies. When Europeons landed in what is now the united States and the Caribbean, Natives had no gay tribes. When Asia was not yet dealing with Europe they did not allow gay marriage, same for rest of world. Whenever a tribe is discovered, like ones in Amazon jungles that are found, totally cut off from rest of world, they have no gay couples. To say "It's the Catholic Church" is a joke.

The laws on it in United States are weird. Neighboring states have different ages of consent. 17 might be legal in one state, cross state line and it's a crime. But pedophilia is another issue.

When you can't put two and two together, it is not I who failed.

It is not just catholic church infiltrated by gay molesters:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/teen-sex-abuser-sentenced-article-1.1332321


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/school-sex-abuse-rabbi-pleads-guilty-20130412-2hpyd.html