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Racism?
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07/16/02 07:21 PM
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This is meant as a question and not to start a debate or a controversy. I read the novel many times and all throughout i get the impression that Puzo was promoting the Sicilian culture. And to praise the Sicilians, he gave examples of other races or nationality not being their equal in busninesses or statemanship matters. e.g the negroes in Harlem not being able to run things, Jack Woltz not being very smart despite being a movie mogul, Tom Hagen having flaws as a consiglire despite being raised by the Don fo 3/4 of his life etc. In the book, Mario Puzo praised the Sicilian a lot and especially for their cunning. And he even went one step further as to write that "Tom Hagen only fault as a Consigliere was that he wasn't a Sicilian". Doesn't this imply that one way or the other that Sicilians are superior than the other ethnic groups? Or that being Siclian would automatically make you smart and give you what it takes to run an empire of organized crime?(I know, Fredo is the exception to the rule but still... ) So by definition, couldn't that kind of thinking considered racism? After all, the dictionnary defines racism as: The belief that one race is superior than another. And we are conviced that the the Sicilian are better. I am curious to hear your thoughts
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Re: Racism?
#48449
07/16/02 09:36 PM
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It wasn't so much Puzo as it was that was the sicilian way. Like Al Neri's way of thinking was that black people did nothing but do drugs and pimp women, which ofcourse is not true. But Puzo did not think that way.
"I never knew dying could be such a social occasion." -Mario Puzo-
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Re: Racism?
#48456
08/08/02 11:14 PM
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Puzo was first and foremost a wonderful story-teller. In telling stories about Sicilians--both in their native land and in America--Puzo was reflecting his own observation that Sicilians, so often invaded, brutalized and downtrodden, had to be more clever and cunning than other people in order to survive. And yes, there were plenty of racist remarks and observations in the novel (and the film), but there I think Puzo was accurately reflecting the racism of Mob guys, who look down on eveyone in general, African-Americans in particular. The irony is that Italian-Americans probably have suffered more from bigotry than any other group of white Christians. Puzo noted in the novel that even Don Corleone bore stoically the mockery and bigotry he suffered in his early years, when he worked in the railroad yards.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Racism?
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08/17/02 01:24 AM
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Well, here's my 2 cents on this topic. I think Puzo (as someone said) was reflecting the thinking of the old timers. Also to my understanding non Italians could never be "made men" in the Italian American Mafia. which explains why Tom Hagen's biggest "fault" was that he wasn't Italian.
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Re: Racism?
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09/24/02 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Omar Suarez: Originally posted by Santino: [b] to the above post. What she is saying is that they are referred to as African American, not black. We shouldn't be called by differen't group names. We are all one thing: PEOPLE[/b]Sorry, that was pretty corny, but it's true.
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Re: Racism?
#48461
09/24/02 04:43 PM
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Sure, they were racist, what difference does it make really? African -Americans are racist and Jews are racist too. I hate it when people get on a board that they clearly know what the subject or whatever is about and start whining about race.
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Re: Racism?
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10/06/02 08:23 PM
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The novel and film merely reflects the attitudes and views people had at the time. This was long before the age of political correctness. To kow-tow to the liberals would render both the book and film unrealistic and less believable.
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Re: Racism?
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11/05/02 05:47 PM
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People from just about every country consider themselves superior, or at least the older generations did. But Vito uses the term "Sicilian" for someone cunning and clever enough with the balls to stay in the mafia business, and usually those people were mostly only Sicilians since the mafia was from Sicily. And anyways, about the anti Afroism, well today people continually disgrace gays, by calling something that they don't like "gay" and using the word ****** as an insult. 50 years from now jaws will be dropping, when they listen to music that slams gays.
"I-uh...I'm gonna learn the, uh casino business, pop."-Fredo, GF1
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