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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
[Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci]
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05/31/13 05:17 PM
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Maybe the future was white collars and not the street.And paul was the leader for that.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
[Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci]
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06/01/13 12:39 AM
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
[Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci]
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06/01/13 12:57 AM
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What are you guys talking about Paul Castellano like he was a great boss with a bright future before he was killed?
The dude would have died in the prison just like his comrades tony ducks, Fat Tony Salerno, the Snake (pending death) and Rusty. The case was open and shut. And he had way bigger trouble with the law before angelo- the dude was a moron that lived in a castle and allowed his phone conversations and home conversations to be recorded by the FBI. That doesn't even begin with all the clear connections to the monster Roy DeMeo.
It was fortune he was killed if anything, he might have tried to flip- considering he never really had great relationships with his street guys anyways.
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Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
[Re: LittleNicky]
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What are you guys talking about Paul Castellano like he was a great boss with a bright future before he was killed?
The dude would have died in the prison just like his comrades tony ducks, Fat Tony Salerno, the Snake (pending death) and Rusty. The case was open and shut. And he had way bigger trouble with the law before angelo- the dude was a moron that lived in a castle and allowed his phone conversations and home conversations to be recorded by the FBI. That doesn't even begin with all the clear connections to the monster Roy DeMeo.
It was fortune he was killed if anything, he might have tried to flip- considering he never really had great relationships with his street guys anyways. I agree and fbi file said had gambino's recorded badmouthing paul calling him the beakman cissypants and count dracula
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
[Re: JCrusher]
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06/01/13 01:03 AM
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Also Paul Castellano was not in the limelight and not around social clubs which was the smart thing. Paul Castellano didnt have too much trouble with the law until Angelo ruggiero opened his mouth Instead he hung around his house in his silk dress, in the broad open, forcing capos to his house, discussing business and penile implants and allowing all his conversations to be taped. What a fucking genius.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
[Re: LittleNicky]
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06/01/13 11:35 AM
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Also Paul Castellano was not in the limelight and not around social clubs which was the smart thing. Paul Castellano didnt have too much trouble with the law until Angelo ruggiero opened his mouth Instead he hung around his house in his silk dress, in the broad open, forcing capos to his house, discussing business and penile implants and allowing all his conversations to be taped. What a fucking genius. Nobody said Paul wa s a great boss. I agree he was very greedy and wasnt your typical gangsters However he did it the right way especially in this day in age of wiretaps. As a boss it was smart to stay out of social clubs and not be seen on the street with all your capos. Remember the main reason why the FBI got Paul was because Ruggiero. The Ruggiero tapes gaves the FBI a reason to bug big Pauls house
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
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06/01/13 02:30 PM
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Yeah. I found a bunch of different clues from FBI reports on MaryFerrell that convinced me (at least) that Carmine Lombardozzi cooperated for a time in the late 1960s. The best clue was a 1968 report from a Gambino member who said he was at Apalachin and spent time in Baltimore on Family business. Lombardozzi was the best fit. I wrote it up here. http://informer-journal.blogspot.ca/2013/04/identifying-underworld-informants-two.htmlI’m sorry it’s a pay site but it’s worth checking out for all the articles there.
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
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06/01/13 06:06 PM
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Castelano did meet with his capo's in his home, just like his predecessor carlo gambino had..That doesn't make gambino an idiot too does it ?? Dellacroce also met with captains in his home , right ?? The feds had never bugged these guy's homes like that before !! It seemed to work pretty well for many years...They just got careless and the feds did their jobs and planted the bugs !! 
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
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Carlo Gambino was the gold standard for American Mafia Bosses.Along with being cunning and ruthless,he was notoriously close mouthed,so even if he was bugged ,there wouldn't be much to go on. He didn't even have a phone in his home. Here's an interesting bit of info from his Wikipedia page. "In December 1972, on Ocean Parkway, a van began to park outside Gambino's home. In that car, sat the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) Mob squad, with cameras, lip-readers, and audio-surveillance equipment, including microphones and wire-taps that were planted in Gambino's home. The FBI was kept on a 24-hour standby, hoping to connect Gambino to organized crime. The van was marked "Organized Crime Control Bureau."
But even though Gambino had every corner in his house recorded, he knew how to conduct business in silence. According to FBI officials, they once recorded a meeting between Gambino, Aniello "Mr. Neil" Dellacroce and Joseph Biondo, where Biondo is just to have said: "Frog legs", and Gambino simply nodded. The recording tapes came out empty."
Supposedly if a man who fell out of favor was mentioned during a meeting,all Gambino would do was sigh,or lower his gaze,and it was understood that a death sentence had been passed. What sets Paulie and Neil apart is that the Feds actually obtained information from their bugs,but when it came to Gambino,it was a dead end street.
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
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08/08/13 03:44 PM
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Another possibility was simple nepotism. This. I think as an oldschool Sicilian Gambino wanted the family to stay within the family. He was married to Castellano's sister to begin with.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
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In addition to the family ties between Paul and Carlo,my understanding is that Paul had been basically an acting Boss in the last few years of Gambino's reign.He was mentored in the finer points of Mafia business by the best,and I believe that included how to ease the pain of any perceived snub by Neil.
My personal opinion is that Neil really didn't want the top spot,because,in effect,he already had his own Family.Even if he wasn't in jail,I think he would have supported Paul,and told his underlings that it was the way of Cosa Nostra. This way Neil wouldn't lose face,but on the contrary,would have been held in higher esteem because of his "loyalty" to the Family. As a sideline to the whole blood ties thing,not only was Carlo Paul's brother-in-law,but Gambino's mother and father were first cousins.
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Re: Why was Mr. Neil passed over?
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I've read that Paul had had increasing oversight duties in the family since the early 70's due to Carlo's declining health and was for all intents acting boss from around 1975 if not in name. It was said that carlos relationship with Neil was always a tenuous one and his ascension to underboss came about as a result of reconciliation following on from a faction of the family that did not support Gambino's power move on Anastasia.(several capos were murdered in the wake of A.A's murder including John Robliotto and Armand Rava who dellacroce was close to.) The disrespect Dellacroce showed to another made member by having an affair with his wife, and supposedly children, would not have sat well with the traditional Gambino either. I think when a figure like Dellacroce dies, sometimes the myth becomes bigger than the man and people think it would have been a cakewalk for Neil to just Take the family on Carlos death. Don't forget that Paul would have had many around him at that time staunchly loyal to Gambino and by extension him, zappi, lombardozzi, the armones, the corraros and gaggi, all with hitters in their crews. Having spent a good portion of the 1970's locked up maybe Neil just figured why rock the boat, I get to stay UB, I'm still making more then I can spend, Pauls proven in the past he can earn, why fuck up a good thing.
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