Ivy and Chi , I agree that most mob $ figures are exaggerated, especially the gambling as the Feds use the bet amount as the income, but I never read about $40m being kicked up to Gambino adm for the Internet scams

That is a ridiculous amount of $, do you know who got that? JR, Cozzo ?

Between the gasoline and Internet scam , I just don't understand why these guys didn't retire to FL . Some of these guys might have got $10m+ tax free personally . You need to be a genious just to move that amount of $ around

The gas scam happened on Gotti and Chin watch , I just wish I had more details on what these guys did with their cash . Between those 2 scams , up to a $100m might have been kicked up between west side and gambinos . The $ amount is just staggering and their families should be rich to this day, but it doesn't seem like they are . Those scams alone could of made all members millionaires, no reason to get into drugs with how lucrative these rackets were . That Locasio kid is something , I wouldn't be surprised if he cleared $50-75M for that scam alone , I hear he is retired but I also here he has some activity in FL

As I've pointed out many times before, the figures quoted in gambling cases are almost always in reference to the amount wagered over the length of the investigation; sometimes averaged out for an annual total. Not the net profit.



Prosecutors allege that Richard Martino, a Gambino “soldier,” directed the scheme and paid $8 million of the proceeds directly to Locascio, the leader of his “crew,” and funneled at least $40 million more into Gambino family coffers.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6928696/ns/us_...d/#.UczYfjvku_U



It seems Tore may have done just that (retired to Florida).



The money from the gas tax scam was likely spread out over many people. You look at Chin's family, they're all well off. Junior Gotti isn't hurting for cash. Nor are the Persicos.

Some Genovese soldiers and captains to consider:

Jimmy Napoli supposedly had the largest numbers operation in the country running out of his bar in Brooklyn, he had interests in Vegas, he was a behind the scenes power in the fight game.

Charlie the Blade Tourine, casino interests in Vegas, Havana, Florida, the Caribbean, and London, he was big in the Maryland/Washington DC area through Joe Nesline and he was said to be involved in activities in such remote places as New Mexico and Alaska.

Trigger Mike Coppola had the rackets in Harlem, was the most powerful mobster in South Florida for a time, casino interests in Vegas, Havana, Florida, the Caribbean and Newport, Kentucky.

Jimmy Blu Eyes Alo, big in Florida,Vegas, Havana, the Caribbean, Hot Springs, he was in on alot of big deals through his relationship with Meyer Lansky

I don't think that any family can match the amount of huge earners that the Genovese have had over the years, especially when you consider bosses like Costello, Catena, Tieri and Salerno who were big time earners in their own right.

From the actual indictment it says
"martino directed more than 30 million in telephone cramming proceeds direcly to locascio and mustafa"
"between June 1999 and 2000 martino directed more than 8 million from the Internet fraud directly to a company owned by locascio"

Crazy thing is these are seprate from one another proceeds from different schemes

230 million stole from Telephone scam and 100 million in profits
And 200 million from Internet fraud scheme

Like I said Biggest earners of all time and this is what is proven, who knows how much more was unproven, I know george freselone also said and dealt with these guys, cause they are also major in video poker and numbers

http://www.lawfuel.com/roslynn-r-mauskopf-united-states-attorney-for-the-eastern-distri/

Where is he now? John Porky Zancocchio

Porky? Working in lanas restaurant on SI

when hes not handling his 50 agent sheet

Porky is Anthony graziano's son in law I believe.

Yeah hes married to Lana i think, maybe jennifer?. Or they might be seperated. idk. i cant remember

What about Roy DeMeo in late 70's with the car ring racking in an estimate $150,000 a week. He also brought the Westies in alliance with Gambino family paying 10% of their profits. He also moved allot of Narcotics and also made allot of money in pornography.

From what I have heard the Westie did not kick up $1 to Roy or the Gambinos

They did what they wanted . The alliance probably only gave them a name to throw around or protection when dealing with the Genovese who had alot of influence in that neighborhood and were in a secret war with the Westies . The Westies were crazy but had no chance vs that family , the Mad Dog and his who knows who else were hunting them.

The Gambinos basically got a new murder crew outside the family and probably got some control of them ( ie no more K & R jobs ) . NYC must have been like the Wild West back then, legit serial killers everywhere .

DeMeo was a good earner but nowhere near the top. The biggest illegal money came from:
1. bootlegging - Al Capone made $100 million, which is billions in today's money in about 6 years
2. narcotics - The Pizza Connection guys moved billions in heroin over 10 years
3. gas scams - The Colombos, Gambinos and Genovese made hundreds of millions in less than 10 years
4. internet/phone scams - One Gambino crew stole about $650 million over 10 years

All of this is dwarfed by the Colombian and Mexican cartels.

True on all points mulberry. I think what would made a better topic was who made the most off of traditional rackets? Numbers, sports, shy.... In jersey both Andy Gerard and Tino had nine figure sportbooks that they ran thru guys like Phil D and Blue. The gerardo/dephillips crew had a dozen all night poker games going on daily around the newark area in the 80s, 90s. Crap games with six figure bank rolls... I can only imagine the money they took in one night. Willie Morrettis numbers biz supposedly had hundreds of runners... I couldnt get close to thinking of all the big gambling/shy guys.

In my opinion Vito Rizzuto is one of the biggest earner of all time ... They estimate his networth between 500 mil and a billion dollar . He controlled the drug trafficking in Canada for more than 25 years and now he's back from an 8 years prison sentence (thanks to the fucking Joe Massino rat) and since he's back he seems to be the top guy in canada , that guy is amazing , he's a fucking bo$$ .

I've never been able to understand how anyone can estimate a criminals fortune. Does anyone know how the FBI or Forbes for instance come up with these criminals net worth lol.

They cannot. It is all wayyy exaggerated into non reality liked I've stated before. Many times.

One example: The estimate of Al Capone earning $100 million, which would be 1 Billion in today's Dollars, was only a guess and it was the GROSS amount of Businss the entire Outfit did in one year.
It's not how much money Al Capone put in his fucking pocket AFTER all expenses and payoffs and everything else. If Capone personally earned 5 million I would be surprised.
Then, he had to reinvest a lot of it into the business again. When he went to prison for good, THE OUTFIT took it over, not his fucking wife or children.

You can always figure that whatever exaggerated number is named by someone, they don't know what they're talking about and you can usually make it on an average 10 TIMES LESS and then you will be closer to reality.

The Outfit guys would LAUGH at some of the old estimates made by people, especially the one about Al Capone. The estimate made it sound like Al Capone personally put $100 million Dollars in his pocket and of course his family would probably eventually inherit most of it. Double LOL,LOL.

+1

John Kobler, Capone's best biographer, estimates that the Outfit took in all that money in 1927-28. But, not much stuck to Capone. For one thing, he had to pay out most of it in bribes to politicians, judges and cops. He had an army of lawyers that sucked in another big part of the Outfit's cash, and nearly all of them were incompetent and greedy. Plus, Capone was a degenerate gambler. He died nearly broke, sustained by his brother Ralph.

Thank You Turnbull. In addition, the funny part about the whole thing was that this way exagerrated figure was listed in the Guiness book of World Records as the highest PERSONAL income for an individual. LOL
Gross and net are two way different things, especially when you have partners also involved. Just ask your C.P.A. when he does your taxes. LOL.

The arrangement was they'd turn over 10% to the Gambinos (except for loansharking profits) for which they could be affiliated with the family. Maybe they didn't actually turn over 10% but I have a hard time believing they didn't kick up any money.



It's a little apples and oranges to compare a domestic crime group like the Italian-American mob to the cartels in Colombia and Mexico. A better comparison would be the crime groups in Italy.

- The King of Wall Street a.k.a. "The Doctot", Carmine Lombardozzi.
- Allie Shades, Alfonso Malangone
- Michael Franzese
- The Hook, Angelo LaPietra
- Albert Anastasia
- Sonny Red, Alphonse Indelicato

Rocco Infelise

Rizzuto, way exaggerated. Make it about 10% of that figure and that's probably closer to his PERSONAL net worth. When he went to jail for 8 years, someone else took over a lot of what was considered belonging to him. When these guys go away for 8 years, it's not like a legitimate businessman who has things in his name legally that can't be taken away so easily.
NO ONE GUY CONTROLLED drug trafficking in all Canada. LOL.
Heeere we go with all the Gross Exaggerations again based on a lot of fanboy adoration.

Chicago sometimes I think you just like to be the devils advocate.



Rizzuto is very, very powerful. Make no mistake. And montreal is a HUGE avenue of coke importation. Of which he controls via his association with Italy the vast majority.

I would be surprised to find a higher earning OC figure alive today.

You may be right. I'm objecting to the Grossly exaggerated figures that are thrown out that are based upon non reality and ignorance about how things work. That's all.

I don't doubt for a second that Rizzuto, even after having been gone to jail for 8 years, has a personal net worth in the Tens of Millions. I wouldn't doubt that at all.

But, when I hear figures thrown around at least 10 or 15 times higher and statements like one guy controlled all the Drugs in Canada, then I have to object and laugh about it like the Al Capone estimate from years ago.

Hey Chicago. You'll know the answer to this. I've read a couple different times that Rocco Infelise was a big earner for The Outfit? Was he a big earner?

Matteo Messina Denaro is up there too.

Yes, Rocky was involved in Gambling with Joe Ferriola.
They were in the Cicero crew.
If You'll notice, I simply say he was good earner, I don't start throwing around big exaggerated numbers and act like Infelice controlled all Gambling in Chicago and all the money Gross amount of money taken in went into his personal pocket.

If Sicilians,Calabrians and Neapolitans were included, there wouldn't be any Americans to mention in this topic imo.

Yeah I thought is heard he was a pretty good earner. I like your style though of not throwing out numbers or lifetime upping amounts. I know for a fact, 100%; If I ever have a question about Chicago, your my go to hitter.