Does LCN still exist in Texas?

Dallas had a family at one time but they're long gone.

No lcn today, the cartels, mexican mafia, and the AB run that shit lol.

Back during prohibition there was the maceo syndicate in galveston, they werent lcn but had ties to the dallas family, they were bootleggers and went on to make galveston one of the biggest gambling destanations in the country at that time.

I believe the genovese have someone out there

LOL!

they have/had some interests in some nightclubs in the dallas area i believe.

I've researched the little that their is on the Dallas Family which never even really had a Family name. I refer to it as the Joe Family damn near every single Boss was a Joseph. Civello was probably the biggest but their definitely isn't shit left of them. That's all Cartel and Aryan run now. Italians would be knocked off rather quickly if they even tried.

There is zero LCN presence in texas, it couldn't be more dominated by the cartels and the AB. There's other factions like persian organizations and shit like that but I'm thinkin as soon as anyone with any juice went anywhere in texas after the 70s they took a look around and went with the Bones Barboni like from Get Shorty "Ah, so this is Texas, huh?....They can keep it"

spent 18 months of the past 2 years living in central Texas this was about as mobbed up as I ever saw anything get. Typical club owners running drugs washing money for their superiors type shit but when the names aren't irish or itialian my interest is quickly lost

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/owner-of-austin-nightclubs-9-associates-face-drug-/nRmQL/

who knows why texas never had much of a lcn presence, there are many reasons, the main one being simply the lack of italians along with the area being so far away from the northeast. people often use theories such as "the mexican mafia would wipe them out" ect. we have seen this line of reasoning used repeatedly to explain why the L.A. family never grew to rival families in chicago and the northeast, its simply not true.

it seems that too many people have this notion in their heads that when different criminal organizations operate in the same area that they line up opposing each other revolutionary war style and fight it out, with the winner being the last man standing. forget the fact that different groups have different rackets, forget the fact that they run in entirely different social circles.

the various street/prison gangs and cartels operating in texas are far from simple drug dealers, but these groups are so preoccupied with killing each other and avoiding being killed that they wouldn't notice, much less care imo if a lcn family had some local influences, be it gambling or semi-legit businesses. there is always the chance of some conflict, but the risks of something exploding into an all-out war is equally overblown. just my opinion.

I think that was just Wiki BS.

Did Joe Civello answer to Carlos Marcello or were they just close associates?

I've read both New Orleans and Chicago had a certain degree of influence over Dallas. Capeci doesn't seem to have a high opinion of the family, even when the LCN was there. It was certainly the first of the 24 families you typically see named to go extinct. It really didn't last beyond the 1960's.

Pretty sure Civelli/Dallas answered to Marcello for the majority of their existence. Once Marcello was through Chicago stepped in probably but it wasn't for long.

*Civello

Yeah Jerry jones

LOL...Yeah he's a member of the Spacone/Stu Cazzo Putana Family Hillbilly Crew lol

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The word is there going to the mattress over the 10 galon hat rackets.

there never was a real lcn in dallas. there were a few criminals with italian names. marcello had a few bookies in dallas and chicago sent some people but not much came of it. even today a few big bookies hang out at campisis egyptian lounge. theres a back room where only certain people are allowed. the campisis were into gambling back then but pretty sure they are legit now with five successful restuarants.

That's a good point. Regarding Civello, Capeci said the chart below was a little misleading as Civello's inclusion overstated his importance. Than again, the FBI never claimed everybody on that chart was equal, despite the inaccuracy about all of them being on the Commission. At least Civello was invited to Appalachin.

I feel like two things kept Dallas and Texas in general from having significant LCN members in it.

One reason was the indigenous O.C. element in Texas like the Dixie Mob, Benny Binion, the Chagras, Jerry Ray James, Bandidos, etc. They are all dangerous and wouldn't like a bunch of out of state Italians stepping on their drug and gambling rackets. They had the lay of the land, knew the players, and had everything sewn up.

The second was law enforcement down there. Either it was too strict or too corrupt (probably both). They also weren't letting their home team and the money they got from them get overtaken.

IMO, the reasons there was never a significant LCN presence in Texas are:

(1) TX was largely settled by non-Italians, mostly Germans and northern Europeans. Not one of the major TX cities (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso, etc) has a "Little Italy" or Italian section of town. For the most part, the Italian food in TX sucks as result.
(2) TX is a "right to work" state, ie, little to no unions.
(3) The population of TX was largely agricultural until the 50's and 60's. It is hard to extort a bunch of farmers and cattle ranchers, let alone run a book or shy operation.
(4) The TX population was largely conservative Christians (Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, etc) who put on a public face of clean living, but tolerated the vices as long as they were out of the public eye and controlled. You could cross the border into Mexico for most of that, or a hidden away whore house or juke joint. Texans would never go for a NO style French Quarter out in the open.
(5) Lastly, if an Italian went to extort a Latino / Hispanic in Dallas, Houston or San Antonio, anytime in the last 50 years, the Italian would have been laughed out of the place or cut up.

The Dallas family, if you can call them that, was never more than a crew compared to any of the other cities.

The Maceo's probably has the closest thing to a family in Galveston. I have heard they ran a great operation and corrupted the police and politicians from top to bottom.

OC in Texas is all DTO's now. The OMC have a presence, as do the prison gangs, but they are small players compared to the DTO's.

DTO ?

drug trafficking organization. truth be told, they line between them, street gangs, and prison gangs simply blurs more as the years go by. one quick example that comes to mind with regards to texas: the juarez cartel and barrio azteca. barrio azteca is simply a street and prison gang that acts as an enforcement arm of the juarez cartel on the us side of the texas border.

I agree with you but prison gangs aren't small players but middlemen for the drug cartels. Recall an earlier post (forgot who sorry) that have the OC threat in Texas and you see that prison gangs are up there along side the cartels.

I think you meant the Tango Blast gang which are a prison/street gang. Barrio Azteca is mainly a prison gang just with a large street presence (similar to Nuestra Familia/La Eme in Cali & BGF in Maryland)and the rest your right.

I remember reading or watching somewhere that the Barrio Azteca is in fact a sort of enforcement for the Juarez cartel, like the Los Zetas for the Tijuana cartel. I think it was in the Gangland episode, although I don't know how reliable it is.

no, i meant barrio azteca. i agree that they are primarily a prison gang, with a large street presence, but that just proves my point about is being harder and harder to classify and label these groups as prison gang, street gang, or cartel as they are all involved in the exact same things.. the juarez cartel also has its own armed wing, la linea, which is said to be made up of ex and current local and state cops from the juarez region. they operate more in mexico, but both them and barrio azteca operate on both sides. the juarez cartel/la linea would be a better comparison to the gulf cartel/los zetas. its also worth pointing out that the juarez cartel is really just a shell of its former self, very similar to the tj cartel with only a marginal influence in and around juarez.

You are right, Los Zetas are enforcers for the Gulf cartel. I confused them with Logan Heights from San Diego that work (or worked) with the Tijuana cartel.

Ive always had the opinion that in places like texas(especially near the border) the street gangs need the cartels for the drug connect and the cartels need the street gangs for street distribution and enforcement so they both kinda work in balance with each other.

Plagiarizing my own post from 2009 on Real Deal forum about some under-the-radar Dallas guys.

John Dragna- owned the Dallas Cuban Club with Feredrico Avilla.

John "JoJo" Berard - Tony Caterine's cousin. Caterine also owned the Loser's CLub (located at 5436 E. Mockingbird)- Berard was involved in that club as well.

Anthony E. "Tony Barber" Barbaria - owned Twelve Signs CLub - liasion with Caterine, Campisis, and local Cuban synidcate

Sammy "The Creeper" Cook (great nickname)- died in 1971, Campisi associate.

Carlo Joseph Campisi - father of Joe Campisi

James Lynn Galletta - associate of Carlo Campisi

Bookmakers under Civello (1967 report):

Phillip Bosco
Charles J. Sansone
Joseph Ianni
Luke Cortemeglia

other connections:

Joe Campisi's cousin was the wife of Luke Gallioto, Marcello associate.

Cateirn and Campisis were basically arms of Marcello after Civello's death (though a case can be made that Dallas was always an arm of New Orleans). Intel reports in the mid 70's have them meeting extensively with Marcello.

After Santo Jr. died and Vince LoScalzo took over, FDLE followed Vince to Houston and Dallas on numerous occassions where he met with Joe Campisi and Joe Marcello. After Campisi died, LoScalzo didn't go to Texas anymore, and just dealt with Joe Marcello and other guys in NO.