Kansas city is a gold mine ever since the bikers galloping goose were shut down. Why doesn't NYC send down some of their problem guys and get em outta their hair?

1. They don't know the lay of the land too well and don't have connections to establish bread-and-butter street rackets.

2. Street gangs and other ethnic OC groups have beat them to the punch. Why would those group work with out-of-towners in shy-locking and traditional mob rackets when they're already making a fortune on drugs?

3. No one to recruit once they get there, gangs thrive on personal ties, people they can trust to not rat or be too greedy. Who's going to be loyal to a bunch of guys sail in to town from New York. See point 1 also. They'd have to import soldiers, weakening already weakened families.

4. They're struggling to maintain what they already have. Who's going to stretch their resources on a big gamble in an area where cosa nostra has already been wiped-out.

5. Not too many major cities have a cohesive Italian emigrant population (or Sicilian, if the family is old school) like New York does. The ones that do still have an active cosa nostra group.

1. You have to start somewhere

2. Most ethnic street gangs don't deal in gambling and juice. They deal in drugs. Besides, I'm not talking about going into Gary Indiana. I'm talking about the suburbs of major cities. Those people gamble too.

3. You send a made man and a few associates. The families have a bunch of brokesters and troublemakers who aren't earning. Send them to another city to start up gambling operations. You have to start somewhere. How did those bookies get started?

4. I don't think they're struggling to maintain a hold in NY/NJ. The gambling and juice rackets there are saturated.

5. If the mob can only operate in cohesive Italian neighborhoods, then they are doomed. The Little Italy in KC is about 4 square blocks. There is no little Italy in Detroit and barely anything left in Chicago. The fact is, everyone gambles and gamblers lose and borrow money. There was no Italian community in Las Vegas and the mob had a lock on that city.

First of all their is already a Italian element handing gambling in KC. Second the Goose/el forresto's are still operating just fine out of their new headquarters. They weren't shut down, they had some administration arrested and sent to prison but they never shut down.

Why would you give credit to guys at a truck stop????? Will you take my action red???

1. You have to start somewhere

2. Most ethnic street gangs don't deal in gambling and juice. They deal in drugs. Besides, I'm not talking about going into Gary Indiana. I'm talking about the suburbs of major cities. Those people gamble too.

3. You send a made man and a few associates. The families have a bunch of brokesters and troublemakers who aren't earning. Send them to another city to start up gambling operations. You have to start somewhere. How did those bookies get started?

4. I don't think they're struggling to maintain a hold in NY/NJ. The gambling and juice rackets there are saturated.

5. If the mob can only operate in cohesive Italian neighborhoods, then they are doomed. The Little Italy in KC is about 4 square blocks. There is no little Italy in Detroit and barely anything left in Chicago. The fact is, everyone gambles and gamblers lose and borrow money. There was no Italian community in Las Vegas and the mob had a lock on that city.

Yeah you do. But is it worth the risk of uprooting your man-power to "foreign" when you can make that money at home. Conneticut and NJ is close enough to be "home turf" to NY families. But moving out to Louisville or Northern Virginia is something that is going to take more than "sending a couple of guys" to get a lock on.



At legit places were they may be robbed blind, but at least they'll come out with their kneecaps intact. With legal gambling spreading to more and more places, taking down a marker "Big Sal" isn't that appealing to people who are in traveling distance to an Indian casinos and don't want to deal with street characters. The legit casino business here in Reno has been slaughtered by the opening of Indian casinos in Nor Cal and I'm sure that the effect has been the same for the mob on the east coast and midwest. Why go to "Big Sal" if you're not a desperate degenerate gambler?

And there are only so many of those to go around. New York, NJ and it's burbs are huge enough to provide demand but I doubt Pittsburgh or Denver could. New York's bread and butter is gambling and shylock, but they still make money off of drugs. Could they resist infringing on street gang or ethnic OC turf? I don't think they could, it only takes one or two greedy meatheads to touch off a war.




And drain off your crews in NY to do an uncertain venture on unfamiliar turf, see my point above, it isn't impossible but I doubt it's worth the trouble and potential conflict with people who are established there.




Yet people keep getting popped and will continue to get popped. They're already scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of guys smart enough to run complicated rackets. Why drain off the pipeline of replacements to bet on uncertain risks?



Las Vegas isn't a real typical example of a "mob town", the only racket cosa nostra there to exploit was the casino skim and shylocking that went along with it. As soon as the skim was gone the mob went away with it.

Say how is cosa nostra in KC today? Not too good is it? Same with L.A., New Orleans, SF and other places where the "little italy" have died off. Chicago is one of the examples where cosa nostra has been able to expand in to the suburbs, but they aren't your typical family in that they've always been comfortable in treating non-italians as family members.

Buffalo has had a crew in hamiliton, canadafor quite some time now but seem to be very small time as of lately and the majority of mob experts have the bufalo family in the non viable category even though there are about 20 made guys still alive in the area. Some of the guys may still be active in gambling but the family as a whole seems to be defunct.

Why would you give credit to guys at a truck stop????? Will you take my action red???

Yeah you do. But is it worth the risk of uprooting your man-power to "foreign" when you can make that money at home. Conneticut and NJ is close enough to be "home turf" to NY families. But moving out to Louisville or Northern Virginia is something that is going to take more than "sending a couple of guys" to get a lock on.



At legit places were they may be robbed blind, but at least they'll come out with their kneecaps intact. With legal gambling spreading to more and more places, taking down a marker "Big Sal" isn't that appealing to people who are in traveling distance to an Indian casinos and don't want to deal with street characters. The legit casino business here in Reno has been slaughtered by the opening of Indian casinos in Nor Cal and I'm sure that the effect has been the same for the mob on the east coast and midwest. Why go to "Big Sal" if you're not a desperate degenerate gambler?

And there are only so many of those to go around. New York, NJ and it's burbs are huge enough to provide demand but I doubt Pittsburgh or Denver could. New York's bread and butter is gambling and shylock, but they still make money off of drugs. Could they resist infringing on street gang or ethnic OC turf? I don't think they could, it only takes one or two greedy meatheads to touch off a war.


And drain off your crews in NY to do an uncertain venture on unfamiliar turf, see my point above, it isn't impossible but I doubt it's worth the trouble and potential conflict with people who are established there.


Yet people keep getting popped and will continue to get popped. They're already scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of guys smart enough to run complicated rackets. Why drain off the pipeline of replacements to bet on uncertain risks?

Las Vegas isn't a real typical example of a "mob town", the only racket cosa nostra there to exploit was the casino skim and shylocking that went along with it. As soon as the skim was gone the mob went away with it.

Say how is cosa nostra in KC today? Not too good is it? Same with L.A., New Orleans, SF and other places where the "little italy" have died off. Chicago is one of the examples where cosa nostra has been able to expand in to the suburbs, but they aren't your typical family in that they've always been comfortable in treating non-italians as family members.

1. Don't the families have crews in Florida? How is Upstate NY or NE PA any different?

2. I'm not talking about bashing people. Chicago is running their gambling rackets without making too much noise. The Indian casinos don't take sports bets.

3. There's more guys in NY than needed to run gambling operations there.

4. I'm not talking about sending top earners.

5. Non-Italians gamble too. The NY families has always used Non-Italian associates too. KC still has gambling. Dallas has gambling. New Orleans has gambling.

The families expanded to Florida, where there is no established Italian community. The Gambinos even opened a club in Atlanta and made money.

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5. If the mob can only operate in cohesive Italian neighborhoods, then they are doomed. The Little Italy in KC is about 4 square blocks. There is no little Italy in Detroit and barely anything left in Chicago.