2 registered members (Havana, 1 invisible),
75
guests, and 28
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums21
Topics43,347
Posts1,086,182
Members10,381
|
Most Online1,254 Mar 13th, 2025
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci]
#729574
07/25/13 02:15 PM
07/25/13 02:15 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 38
Thaddeus
Wiseguy
|
Wiseguy
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 38
|
I think his ego is why he DIDN'T flip. Among other things. Besides, the feds had a hard on for this guy. Gotti was their target.
Last edited by Thaddeus; 07/25/13 02:18 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci]
#729583
07/25/13 02:55 PM
07/25/13 02:55 PM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 653 Illinois
F_white
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 653
Illinois
|
His Ego was the size of earth.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: bobbytran]
#729640
07/25/13 05:11 PM
07/25/13 05:11 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 143
Caramela77
Made Member
|
Made Member
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 143
|
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: AllDay27]
#729657
07/25/13 06:33 PM
07/25/13 06:33 PM
|
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 999
mulberry
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 999
|
There was nothing left to flip on. They had Gotti, they were closing in on the Corrozzo faction, they had good intel on the Florida crews. Gotti couldn't have known about the cramming "internet billing scam" that was on the horizon. What info (besides obviously rolling on other families) could Gotti have provided at the time on the Gambino's? He wasn't gonna roll on One Eyed Pete or Junior, so who was there at the time that essentially would have been worth it to the Federal Government more so than Gotti finally behind bars after mocking the system for years? I don't know what you mean by he had nothing to offer. As boss he knew about almost every racket, could back up Gravano's testimony, and could give info on the other families and their bosses. The Corozzo faction wasn't busted until December 1996, which was 6 years after Gotti was arrested. Gotti was in the same situation as Massino after Vitale flipped. Of course the feds would have welcomed him with open arms. Imagine the coup, forcing the Al Capone of their era to become a rat. That would be more embarrassing to the mafia than sending Gotti to prison. Gotti didn't flip because he was a true gangster, just like Scarfo, the Commission Case guys, and Chicago guys who were given life.
Last edited by mulberry; 07/25/13 06:34 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: mulberry]
#729662
07/25/13 07:00 PM
07/25/13 07:00 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 699 Illinois
Chicago
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 699
Illinois
|
Despite all of Gotti's flaws, which were numerous, Despite the fact that Gigante hated him, He had two undeniable qualities the Outfit guys respected (even though they had to side with the Genovese's in the background):
1) He had balls bigger than the Empire State Building (reminded them of Giancana) 2) He was a real man who never betrayed himself.
Last edited by Chicago; 07/25/13 07:02 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: Lou_Para]
#729706
07/25/13 08:48 PM
07/25/13 08:48 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,809 Scotland
Camarel
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,809
Scotland
|
From what I understand,Gotti believed that he would win on appeal,or even get a pardon. He really felt that the public loved him so much that he could cause a groundswell of protest that would result in pressure on the Government. Even Sammy thought he was nuts when he started talking seriously about getting together enough cash to bribe the President and get a pardon.
Bottom line,his delusions about his own press led him to believe that his conviction would be overturned. When the day came,(if it ever did) that he accepted the fact that he would die in prison,his final f*** you to the Feds was silence.
The Feds might not have even needed anything from him that they hadn't already gotten from the Bull and other snitches. I think that in Gotti's case they took it personal,since he made them look like goofballs for so long.The thought of making his time easier by turning him was probably not even a thought. I don't know if the part i bolded is true, but if it is Gotti deserves his rep as the dumbest mob boss. I've heard people defend Gottis intelligence as a boss before, but if this is true he was completely backward by believing that more press (showing how he's a good guy) would result in an acquittal.
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: mulberry]
#729719
07/25/13 09:24 PM
07/25/13 09:24 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 699 Illinois
Chicago
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 699
Illinois
|
The Feds not only would have welcomed it, they would have had orgasms if Gotti would have flipped!
Gotti had a big ego, Gotti raised his hand against a Boss, Gotti was a gambler, Gotti didn't understand the huge Gambino Family Business etc. BUT HE HAD BALLS and HE DID HIS TIME AND ACCEPTED IT LIKE A MAN. That I will always give him despite all the other major Flaws.
Last edited by Chicago; 07/25/13 09:26 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: Chicago]
#729731
07/25/13 09:57 PM
07/25/13 09:57 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,017
SonnyBlackstein
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,017
|
Getting enough support to kill a Boss in New York takes Big Fucking Balls. Wrong. Gotta whacked Paul out of fear. With Angelo's trial coming up and the drug dealing tapes coming to air, it was kill or be killed. That's not balls. That's a coward. +1 Skinny. Ego is why he didn't flip. And yes the FBI would've taken him. Look at Massino.
MORGAN: Why didn't you fight him at the park if you wanted to? I'm not goin' now, I'm eatin' my snack. CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go. MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'. WILL: So don't go.
|
|
|
Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
#729737
07/25/13 10:20 PM
07/25/13 10:20 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,099
JCrusher
Underboss
|
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,099
|
Getting enough support to kill a Boss in New York takes Big Fucking Balls. Wrong. Gotta whacked Paul out of fear. With Angelo's trial coming up and the drug dealing tapes coming to air, it was kill or be killed. That's not balls. That's a coward. +1 Skinny. Ego is why he didn't flip. And yes the FBI would've taken him. Look at Massino. Very Good Points
|
|
|
|