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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci]
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11/21/15 07:08 PM
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Not being a rat is something nobody can take from you, they can take your freedom, your life, your money, but you can be put in the ground as a man, my brother kept silent on a death penalty case, refused to testify in his own defense for fear of his words hurting others just how it is where we are from, better off dead tnen a rat, if you have hot paper work here, you will get killed x people pass out paper work at bather shops, and the person is gone in a week.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: Mr_Willie_Cicci]
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11/21/15 07:47 PM
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No, gotti never would have flipped in a million years but make no mistake about it, the feds would have welcomed gotti to team america with open arms. In fact, that would of been the ultimate badge to carry, having gotti flip. Are you guys kidding ???? I dont care what monday morning quarterback shit Briuce meow is espousing , he woukd of loved for that to happen. It also would have sent the most powerful message ever. Gotti was the face of the mafia and to a certain extent, he still is.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: gangstereport]
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11/21/15 08:38 PM
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
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11/21/15 09:14 PM
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pizzaboy
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all the gottis are stand up apart from arguably junior but then gain he did go through 4 rico trials and if he wanted to he could have hurt alot of guys that proffer session did not give up many guys feds did not deal with him because they knew he was holding back info they wanted junior on stand and he would not do that A man't can't be half a rat any more than a woman can be a little pregnant. A rat is a rat is a rat. And God only knows if there's more to those proffers than the Government ALLOWED Anastasia and Alite to print. Because, make no mistake about it, the Feds can shut a book down at their own will. First Amendment be damned.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: pizzaboy]
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11/21/15 09:25 PM
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all the gottis are stand up apart from arguably junior but then gain he did go through 4 rico trials and if he wanted to he could have hurt alot of guys that proffer session did not give up many guys feds did not deal with him because they knew he was holding back info they wanted junior on stand and he would not do that A man't can't be half a rat any more than a woman can be a little pregnant. A rat is a rat is a rat. And God only knows if there's more to those proffers than the Government ALLOWED Anastasia and Alite to print. Because, make no mistake about it, the Feds can shut a book down at their own will. First Amendment be damned. true that is a good point its why i said it an arguable if he is a rat i personally think he is but not as bad as the rest the other gottis are stand up he is the odd one out
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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11/22/15 08:41 AM
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IMO, A lot of made guys who have been arrested over the years have been because of wiretaps and bugs. The Government place these bugs virtually anywhere, in cars, Social clubs, bedrooms, kitchens, offices, restaurants, and computers and of course, phones. They have to communicate somehow. Maybe they should issue etch a sketckes or teach them sign language. But once the Feds get a whiff of that, I am sure they will find a way to monitor them. Gotti even went the extra yard by having meetings in the apartment of a widow of a former wiseguy's apartment above the Ravenite. He took precautions it was just the Feds got lucky and beat him. That's the life and the game. Like the saying from one of my favorite movies, The Big Lebowski, "sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes the bar eats you" You can call Gotti an egotistical maniac, but he was no rat or would never entertain becoming one.He lived this shit.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: JCrusher]
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11/22/15 01:22 PM
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Im sorry but the gotti love is making me puke...all because he didnt rat. Truthfully he was the boss so there was nobody to rat on. The guy was a piece of shit and a moron no one is saying john was a good boss he was a standup guy as was all of his brothers and richie junior only junior is arguably not a stand up guy its not "gotti love" its fact your right he is a piece of shit but so are all of these guyseven if john had been a soldier he would have never flipped e was LCN to the end this whole topic is ridiculous "he was a boss so there was nobody to rat on"did i hear that right a boss can give the entire organization up plus other familys not saying the feds would deal with gotti but they have dealt with other bosses joey massimo ralph natale acting bosses jimmy frantino Al D`arco and former bosses like Angelo Lonardo
the feds would and will deal with a mob boss but just not john gotti not that it matters he would never have flipped
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
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11/22/15 01:26 PM
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Im sorry but the gotti love is making me puke...all because he didnt rat. Truthfully he was the boss so there was nobody to rat on. The guy was a piece of shit and a moron no one is saying john was a good boss he was a standup guy as was all of his brothers and richie junior only junior is arguably not a stand up guy its not "gotti love" its fact your right he is a piece of shit but so are all of these guyseven if john had been a soldier he would have never flipped e was LCN to the end this whole topic is ridiculous "he was a boss so there was nobody to rat on"did i hear that right a boss can give the entire organization up plus other familys not saying the feds would deal with gotti but they have dealt with other bosses joey massimo ralph natale acting bosses jimmy frantino Al D`arco and former bosses like Angelo Lonardo
the feds would and will deal with a mob boss but just not john gotti not that it matters he would never have flipped i know all about jimmy the weasel and massino so you dont have to tell me man
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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11/23/15 01:22 AM
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I read it, Sonny. And I WILL get back to you by tomorrow. There's just too much to write at this hour. But a rat is a rat is a rat  . Yet I already conceded that both George Barone and Fish Cafaro both could have hurt A LOT more guys, but didn't. So I guess I can agree that there are different DEGREES of ratting. But there's still no such thing as half a rat.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: SonnyBlackstein]
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11/23/15 06:06 AM
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To me it's even more than that; Like what about all the dry snitching, does that count? Using the police to get rid of your enemies, is that "better" than ratting? The way I see it, the difference between a boss and a soldier is that soldiers understand the rules. Soldiers respect the rules, live by the rules, die by the rules. Create their entire self image designed around their relationship to these rules. Bosses, understand that, THERE ARE NO RULES, or more to the point, these rules are open to interpretation.... Here's two examples from my own family; I got a cousin, killed his wife, in a car, in front of his kids. Okay, then got his kids mother(she wasn't the wife) to help him get rid of the body. He trust one of my aunts with his money, while he's on the run. She , I guess decides to keep the money, and proceeds to allow the FEDS to tap her phone. Long story short, the Feds grab baby momma, threaten her with life or the death penalty or who knows what, she sings. Cousin gets arrested and he is lock stock and barrel guilty, they offer a plea, 20 years. Do you believe the guy rolled the dice and took it to trial. Got a woman judge, baaaaad, at the sentencing she asked something like," Do you want me to decide your death?". Gave him 80 years I think, his brother said and I quote " The motherfucker shoulda took tha 20 years!!!" Now he was real, but to me he was dumb.... Second example, another cousin, younger, bully, vicious guy. Lots of enemies, but widely feared, (went to jail at 14 for unloading at the police, used to torture cats as a kid, nutty fuckin guy, incidentally was my favorite cousin, go figure..) is sitting in his car, two gangbangers see him, and because he was so feared these guys make a BET! That one of em wont walk up,to him and shoot him. So, you know what, the guy walks up to him and shoots him in the neck, side, and ass, leaves the guy crippled. This is over a bet, and you know what he does, my cousin? He testifies," rats" I guess, but I guess he felt like, as a street guy, that was his only recourse for retaliation, because like I said, this was a tough fuckin guy, but a rat is a rat I guess.. For me growing up, this shit was never that cut and dry simple; I couldn't understand why my cousin wouldn't take the plea, but I know him not taking the plea enabled him to still wield power in prison, (he had a block he called shots over), whereas the other cousin got his revenge I guess, but at the expense of all his standing in the community. So I think someone hit it on the head when they mentioned image and ego, what did Michael say in godfather, my father considers himself the equal of a senator or whatever.... I'm sorry for going a little off topic, I just had to explain myself a little... These are questions I kinda been asking myself my whole life...
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: bronx]
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11/23/15 07:48 PM
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very true, without tapes no gravano Sammy wasn't even window dressing. They had them BOTH dead to rights on the Cirelli tapes. The fucking Feds freed a serial killer just to embarrass Gotti. That's why you don't tug on Superman's cape. Only Frankie Loc gets my sympathy. He was a reasonable guy who wouldn't hurt you unless you were really begging for it. Life in prison for sitting on a fucking couch while another guy's mouth put you there.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: bronx]
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11/23/15 08:48 PM
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you are sobering right about frank l. Thanks, Bronx. You know we came from across the street. But pre-Gotti it wasn't that big a deal. Tore grew up in Westchester. But he and I are the exact same age and he was always in the neighborhood with his Uncle Joe. His Father didn't leave Morris Park all that much. But his uncle had the club by the zoo. Remember?
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: bronx]
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11/23/15 10:04 PM
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didn't tore have a club off arthur Yeah, that was later, though. That place was originally Vinny A's. Then Tore got it around the time Vinny got his own crew. I'm talking about the late '70s. We were barely out of high school. Joey Loc operated out of the same spot for at least twenty years. That kinda run just isn't possible anymore.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Why did Gotti not flip?
[Re: bronx]
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11/23/15 10:31 PM
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yeah the only club Tore should have now is a nine iron..lol Spot-on. But very few people on the boards want to believe it. Charlie from RD. He's a real good kid. Grew up around Crescent. He's in his 30's. Just old enough to remember the tail end of the Arthur Avenue that we knew. Yourself. A few other locals. But unless the Feebs take his name off their charts, some people refuse to believe it. And the truth is, Tore was never the same after the thing with the restaurant guy's son in '93. That really had an effect on the way he looked at the life. He didn't even fucking realize what he set in motion. If he had it to do over, the other kid would still be alive and living in a nice suburb like the rest of his family. THAT was tragic. Because that kid was an innocent, no matter who his father is.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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