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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
[Re: mulberry]
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07/27/13 11:46 PM
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Definitely made. Others may know better, but I believe didn't have their own crews in the traditional sense.
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
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07/28/13 12:21 AM
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Mulberry, Marcy was a made man in the Outfit. He was always direct with the Top Bosses. He had a small crew under him who helped deliver money. One such guy was a fellow named Chris Cardi who was one of his soldiers. Cardi was Willie Messino's nephew.
Roti was a High Level Associate who took orders from Marcy.
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
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07/28/13 12:58 AM
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Yes, what happened was that Cardi didn't feel he was being paid enough to to his job working in Marcy's Crew. He complained about it to Willie. Willie then asked Cerone's permission if he could have Cardi work for him as a juice Collector in the Elmwood Park Crew. Jack agreed and Cardi then went to work under Willie in his juice crew.
Well, Cardi still wasn't satisfied after awhile and was in no position to move up and get made to run his own Franchise. In Chicago, that took years to happen.
Cardi became more impatient and started to deal directly in drugs on the side. It wasn't long before Cardi got into trouble and had to go to prison for a couple years. It was his first offense.
Two days after Cardi got out of jail, He was at his wife's hot dog place that she ran to make money while he was gone. Two Guys entered the joint wearing ski masks and shot Cardi to death.
It was an Outfit lesson. Do not deal directly in drugs and do not do anything on the side without permission from your Boss. They actualy let Cardi do his short time and then they killed him.
Cerone gave the order. There was nothing Willie could do to save his nephew.
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
[Re: funkster]
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07/28/13 01:04 AM
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I believe it was around '74. What made it even worse for Willie, was that he was in Jail at this time. Willie went to jail in 1970. Then, 4 years later, his nephew got killed AFTER the Outfit let him serve his short time in jail. Welcome to the real world of the Mafia, folks.
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
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My co-worker has a great story about Willie and Jack. She was a hair dresser that used to do manicures for Jack. Stand by while I get the details tomorrow. Just out of curiosity, Chicago do you think Jack was as big as a mope as the ANP people think? I can't imagine someone went to the heights under Joey O as he did and was a complete idiot.
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
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No, Jack was very sharp and was quite knowledgeable about Gambling in particular. He was smart enough to survive Giancana.
Jack was not real popular because he was a cheapskate and didn't treat his men as well as Giancana or Auippa. However, that being said, Jack was a very capable Boss.
The people at ANP are a little crazy and always have some ulterior motive for their comments about DiFronzo and Cerone.
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
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07/28/13 01:57 AM
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Do you guys think he would have been knocked down by Joey O if not for Joe B? Does the lawyer have any sway these days or is he just living by the name?
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
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07/28/13 02:35 AM
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Accardo saved Cerone from being killed by Giancana many times.
Joey Auippa would have never made any kind of move against Cerone even after Accardo was gone. There would be no reason for it and it's a complete lie created by Fosco to try and make Cerone look bad.
Fosco operates with a motive. He is not objective and is a con man.
He says those things to try and hurt Jack Cerone Jr. who Fosco feels cheated him.
You can never trust an Organized Crime source who HAS A MOTIVE.
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Re: Pat Marcy and Fred Roti made men?
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08/02/13 05:49 PM
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The Outfit made some of their pols--especially those who came from Taylor street who were thugs in their youth. The 1st Ward "apparatus" was not exactly a crew, but at one time there is no question that it was the most powerful entity in the Outfit. The Outfit also made certain guys who were entrusted with extremely sensitive and discrete information. By this I mean low-profile, relatively unknown people who passed important messages between bosses, or between bosses and pols. The extent of "sleepers" has been overstated in Outfit discussions, but think of a sleeper as a made guy who is very trusted and very knowledgeable who has little involvement in actual street rackets, but who can be called upon at any time. Greedy P was made relatively late in life to function in this capacity. Well said and very true. The decline of the First Ward in many ways corresponds with the decline of the Outfit..
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