That we know of.

Who knows who the fucks walking around doing a simulcast.

There hasent bin anyone that has flipped that we no of, that is.

Yea I remember the recording of nicky skins kicking up500 to an old timer capo for some bullshit cigarette set up that the Feds did what tribute 500 bucks on a Load of cigs. I'm not knocking your comment I respect it we are here all to share opinions but we hve to face fact the mob in ny isn't what it once was not even close.

Give me a break. You didn't have an answer for the very examples you asked for (maybe you were hoping I didn't have them) so you simply ignore them and go right back to repeating yourself. Why don't you actually look these cases up? They're hardly "old." Most were in the last few years and anything over the past decade is hardly old news. "As of 2013 that shit is all dead?" What does that even mean? Did the mob decide to pack it in this past new year? It seems, in an attempt to justify your claims, you only want to consider cases in the last year or so, which hardly gives a good view of the overall picture.

I'm not sure what $20-30 million a week operation you're referring to (nobody claimed such a thing) but, as has been explained before, the figures usually cited in mob gambling cases represent the amount of money wagered during an investigation. Or, from that amount, a total estimated over a year. Not the net profit the mob takes in after pay outs, expenses, etc.

And, yes, the mob is still very much involved in construction. More so than any other legitimate sector. I could give you a list of examples as long as your leg but you'd just ignore them.



Agree with what exactly? He's been talking out of his ass.



Well that's hardly news. But you can't cherrypick a case in order to make your point. You have to look at all the cases in order to get a good view of things. And you don't want to do that.

The 1990's were a disaster for the mob. Even guys like Bobby Manna got life just for murder conspiracy.

Ivy , you get all your info from indictments and the Feds ? Or do you have any actual connection or street input?

I certainly do get the vast majority of my information from the feds (indictments, press releases, reports) or the media. And so does everybody else on these forums. As I've said before, even the most hooked in guy on these boards is't going to be able to know enough people, or cover enough ground, where he doesn't rely on these same general sources for most of his info.

You do no that the Feds jam pack shit into an indictment and make it even more bullshit

If you're asking if I think the feds, as a matter of practice, charge mob guys with made up crimes; no I don't. For example, many people on the forums bitch about guys getting a RICO indictment on what they describe as a "glorified gambling" case. Apparently, they fail to understand that illegal gambling is one of the predicate RICO crimes when it's been conducted by a criminal organization over an extended period of time. Or they just don't like the RICO law.

Anyway, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with you underestimating the NY Mafia today.

I didn't say they charge them with fake crimes they just pile shit on top of shit , the whole point of this thread is the mafia and the majority of the people in it don't have the power money or connections they once had . I can give u 1,000 examples.

Ivy I can name 2 rats that live in ny/njand go into manhatten on a regular basis , how come the are Untouched and have the balls Togo , because they aren't scared , why aren't they scared cause they no nothing will happen , and actually there is a rat in the open from the west side also he was even on the front page on the daily news

Joe barone- west side
John elite - gambino
Nicholas “P.J.” Pisciotti- bonnano

The mob not having the power, money, or connections it once had is hardly news. Everybody knows that. But that's different than you saying "It's over," "There are no players anymore," etc. In your apparent disappointment about the mob not being what you wish it still was, you exaggerate the demise of it's current state.



What's your point? This has been discussed many times before. It seems the mob doesn't bother to hunt down informants, even when they don't bother to hide, because the risks far outweighs the rewards today. Of course, that's not to say there isn't danger of a guy being killed before he fully flips and the damage is done. Anyway, this hardly means the mob is dead. It's just changed. The rackets continue.

They have hardly any rackets left you can bring up as many indictments as you want they hype everything up , you don't no. That tho because you get all your info online....they don't have any juice to run unions anymore . As soon as they think you are oc they flag you. The chins kids got set up on the ports and are loosely there but. That's cause they are clean for the most. Part besides Andrew. The Feds have there hands on to much. Also do you think when. Some one loses in sports they always pay they don't and bookies can't do shit because if the bettor picks up the phone they are screwed.

I never. Said it was over or not there its just a joke and to me a player is some one who has international connections like Cali and a select few others the rest are lo lives.

Ivy to me the mob is powerful in Canada in Italy do some research on that and to me that's wht the mob is in network they have to shine Canada and Italy's shoes you cannot compare them . Canada has unions they drugs construction they still clip people and. They all have money.i rest my case to me that's what and how the mafia should be

why would a bettor flip over a debt, not only would that label him a snitch amongst the neighborhood, he wouldn't be able to place a bet anywhere. If a guy wants to gamble their not going to call the police, blackballing some guy who never pays is probably a lot worse you can do to someone who loves to gamble than breaking their legs.

You're just talking out of your ass again. You have no answer for the examples I've given you, or could still give you, so you ignore them or try to explain them away. You are the perfect example of the clowns I've repeatedly encountered on these forums who knock those of us who actually research this stuff and yet know very little about the modern day mob themselves.

Statements you've made in this thread alone that are demonstrably wrong. One BS line after another...

"The reality is no one has balls the only family that generates money is te genovese"

"There are no real players out there anymore"

"The mob is dead"

"the gambinos Have shit goin on"

"The Russians Chinese blacks all took over hands on rackets."

"It has all changed these sophisticated crimes there are rare that an Italian Icn family runs them."

"Strongest organized crime group amongst themselves blacks Spanish Russian Chinese they have balls and money , Italians have sports and card games wohooo"

"Name me a racket they hve besides sports and shy-"



Frankly, given what I've seen from you, I expect you don't know much about the Canadian mob either. You're a juvenile mob watcher who gets caught up by hollow hype about international connections and whatnot. And for the record, the mob in New York has drugs and construction as well. And they also still clip people. Ask the DiGirolamo brothers, Frank Santoro, Al Bruno, Gary Westerman, Nick Cirillo, Randolph Pizzolo, Larry Ricci, Robert McKelvey, Frank Lagano, Rudy Izzi, Louis Antonelli, Anthony Seccafico, etc.

Yes the mob in newyork has drugs the bonnano crew sells weed and 100 mg Viagra , ivy hear me out you read to much and watch to much sopranos you have no idea what your talking about , all this people that you named that got Killd the majority was from a long time ago , we can go back and 4th all month , the trucchio crew was about the most active out there, he was tite knit crew and he did his own thing that's why he lasted a bit longer . Indictment are always bombarded with more stuff the you can imagine. Bottom line is your computer is your source and to me that's useless .the mob in newyork is alive yes ,
There some guys out there that have balls and are smart yes.
The foundation is gone the people that are coming
Up. Watch to much tv like you and then they get arrested and rat.
99 percent of those indictments are pretty much bombarded with bullshit.
That's why guys get off easy on gambling charges.
My source isn't a computer or the web . And any one that nos anything nos what I'm saying is true. Now for people like you who idolize the mob it's hard to accept if was for me to but when it's black and white it's black and white .
I appreciate our debate but at this point. You don't have to type back it's all pointless.

Ciccio I agree I had said in another topic that you have crews that are basically families in a families. When sammy turned some crews out on the street had no worries

And another funny thing people post. A skipper is taking 500 a week off a porn guy or what have you. times that by 10 or 15 a week. Not everything is a 500 million dollar score.

IVY Your wrong these guys kno what they tlkin bout cos u dig

I agreed that the mob isnt what it used to be...besides very few who make a great living in the construction or union rackets...the rest are making a living of off booking and shy

mob 2013 is a shell of itself

Again, what's your point? Marijuana and Viagra can make a lot of money.



Will you listen to yourself? I read too much? Why don't you try studying up on this stuff for once instead of just talking out of your ass? Don't give me that crap about you having inside knowledge or anything like that because you obviously don't.



It seems like you're trying to narrow the goal posts so you only have to acknowledge mob hits in the last year or two. The ones I listed are hardly old news. They stretch over the past decade, from 2000 up to the last few years. It shows that the NY families still kill people. You're wrong once again.



Yeah, I can easily keep proving you wrong as long as you want. According to the feds, the Trucchio crew was certainly the largest and most active in the Gambino family but it's not the only one.



Your computer is your source as well. You just don't want to admit it. I'm here to tell you that nobody believes you have any inside knowledge. You get proven wrong with info I can easily provide and you either have to ignore it (like claiming indictments are BS) or act like you don't need the same sources the rest of us do. You're just one more in a long line of BS artists on these forums pretending to know and be something you're not.



Oh, so the NY mob is alive? I thought it was dead. People were saying the NY mob was near death 20 years ago. They were wrong. The inevitable, slow decline continues but they're not at where you think they are.



You have absolutely nothing to base this on. Just more talking out of your ass. Guys often get off easily on gambling charges because they take plea deals. It seems to me you just find gambling boring and want there to be more exciting indictments; whatever that would be.



You're source IS your computer. And anyone who is familiar with my posts on this forum or the others knows I don't idolize the mob. I just care about facts. The irony here is, you're making all these ridiculous claims about the mob precisely because you idolize the mob. It's not what you wish it was, so you're disappointed, and the purpose of this thread was so you could voice your disappointment about it. If anything, you should welcome the evidence I'm showing you because it's what you really want.

Ivy -I DIDN'T READ ANYTHING YOU said ivy its to much bullshit to read - and I don't care I voiced what I no and your in la la land that's fine .

Ciccio67: You did read it, and you lost.

Ivy: dont waste your time trying to have a rational discourse with irrational people.

Things arent what they used to be and they never will get back to that way.... lets be honest spanish/asian/black gangs and biker gangs are the ones out there.

Ok, its my turn to pick a fight with ivy, the mafia only kill thier own, they back down to any ethnic group or outside organizations that stands up to them, the moguls, westies, black mafia, nicky barnes actually killed a mobster and nothing happened, ethnic groups are not afraid of the mafia and u can make a case that the reason why u see a trend of mobsters leaving the street rackets is because thier being chased out of thier own neighborhoods, minorities tooked over and if they even try taxing drugdealers today it would'nt be pretty, before merlino got locked up he even had to enlist the help of jbm to collect street tax because jbm was feared, something la costa nostra, don't have anymore, look at all the states the mafia had a family in is now disappearing and being taken over by ethnic drug organization, the future ofvthe mob is white collar crime cause they lost the streets and thier to scared to fight for it

Ur talking about who's the most organized??? The hells angels is more organized than the mafia, how many of thier guys snitched???

Id rather steal 50 grand from behind a desk than kill 3 people for 25 grand.

First of all noone should be actively trying to start a fight with any1 on here. Second the mafia didnt back down to the westies, they killed off the spillane leadership so connan could take over and they could partner with them and make alot of money with them. The mafia doesnt need to fight with other gangs cause they have nothing to do with their main busineses of gambling and unions. For the most part the only reason lcn would be in volved with another organization is to partner with them. They have absolutley no reason to start any wars it has nothing to do with them not having any balls .

The mafia leaving the street rackets, lol, where ?

Not in NJ or NY, it's all on line these days

The mob is a business and sustained violence has too much of a cost these days

Street gangs don't make any $ , those street dealers don't make much more than min wage . Only the wholesaler make good coin

@ dellacroce: first of all , smile once In a while it was a joke
2nd of all, the gambinos had to broker a peace with the westies because the genovese family said they don't want to go to war with the westies because they was to violent, see, its no fun being on the other side of that gun
And thirdly, the rico act cut thier balls off years ago now they run around with thier dicks between thier leggs


@db: organized street gangs makes alot of money, the bottom of the barrel guys don't because thier basically workers, but the middle to upper tier gets money